Darwin to be precise.

ew

From what I've seen Victoria seemed like a very pleasant place to live

Nothing in NT
Only SJWs in Victoria

Huh what?

*Hits crack pipe*

@Valtiel if you like Sudanese rapefugees bashing you over the head

Second thought, go visit Victoria

I hope all of you are real Stalinists

💯 😎

@Subhuman✓ᵂᵒᵏᵉ Kys pendejo

That's rude

@clan @Valtiel

FYI I'm not really here to discuss politic.... I'm just here for the free food

living in a communist server you grab all the food you can grab

and then some, and hope the riots don't get to bad or you get mugged

@Deleted User
>communism
>food

ikr?

The color purple represents food

Does anyone here believe that freedom exists?

I believe that it's a useful concept in a vaacuum, but saying that the best society is the one with the fewest restrictions on it falls apart immediately when you apply it to reality, because different people have contradictory ends, and society isn't individualistic in nature.

To be entirely honest, freedom is a need in a lot of ways.

Such as the freedom to privacy.

Without it, that feeling of being constantly watched, you are harmed. But not all freedoms a reasonable or needed in modern society.

Good answer. What is the value of freedom, if any? Could there be a difference between being conscious of ones freedom, and being materially free in reality?

Such as some forms of economic freedom, it is best to restrict them in favor of collective gain.

Could there? I suppose you could believe you're completely free while being a slave, or the otehr way around.

In other words, are there any material conditions that exist the reduce freedom to zero?

🤔 Well, what is freedom truly?

Is it greater purpose or the ability to choose?

Is it both? Or is it only one?

Like I said, it's the absence of restrictions. You are "Free to do", means that you are not prevented from doing.

I'd say you can never really rip away someone freedom to greater purpose, you can hinder it, but even rid them of it without killing them. The ability to choose can almost completely be stripped away from someone.

EDIT: Actually, you can. But I argue they stop being human when their spirit, everything about them, is gone.

But you still have some natural freedoms. Such as when to shit and pee.

Well, freedom always has limitations, between wants and abilities. But I am more getting to the difference between the consciousness of freedom and the material 'reality' which you spoke of that causes it to break down. Presumably, as long as you are conscious you are in some way free. What I want to determine is the extent to which freedom is independent of material conditions. How much can it be reduced to pure Egoism and self-sufficient. But we could also talk about the different between 'freedom from' and 'freedom to', but first we have to see what freedom is its relationship to self and reality.

Apparently, from a purely material standpoint, freedom doesn't really exist in the subjective sense. It is just a reflection of deterministic reality.

Freedom is not a material construct, though. It is a social construct. It is entirely dependent on your relations to other people, the level, (if any) of power they hold over you, and how they choose to wield it.