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2017-09-04 04:43:39 UTC  

But, when society falls apart, and there is no governing force or morals, I would have to imagine that slavery, prostitution, cartels, and more would become common place, because there is no central authority that is against them, organizations could make laws that would make such things legal.

2017-09-04 04:43:54 UTC  

Government =/= society

2017-09-04 04:44:25 UTC  

I mean to be clear, anarchy =/= chaos

2017-09-04 04:44:31 UTC  

@Wilhelm Zaisser#5032 Society today depends on the governments of today, it is a need, not them being the same.

2017-09-04 04:44:44 UTC  

it would require a vast bureacracy and complex institutiosn to manage

2017-09-04 04:44:49 UTC  

there'd be order

2017-09-04 04:45:11 UTC  

and it would take a massive upheaval to diminish that order just like most societies today

2017-09-04 04:46:12 UTC  

Order is dependant on some form of authority to enforce it, otherwise people would not listen or obey to it.

2017-09-04 04:46:32 UTC  

Anarchism also removes most of the incentives people have to commit crime. Private property of course, should be abolished.

2017-09-04 04:46:38 UTC  

*Without God, morality wouldn't exist*

2017-09-04 04:46:40 UTC  

there's a natural order to thing

2017-09-04 04:46:51 UTC  

that can be imposed throughinstitutions

2017-09-04 04:46:56 UTC  

people can self organize

2017-09-04 04:47:02 UTC  

@Railing Yes, when you make everything legal, then crime rates will drop 100%.

2017-09-04 04:47:20 UTC  

we don't hierarchical structures in place to organize people

2017-09-04 04:47:25 UTC  

Not because people stop doing them, but because it is not defined as a crime anymore.

2017-09-04 04:47:31 UTC  

moreover leader would naturally arise to assist in organizing

2017-09-04 04:47:50 UTC  

ehh, no there'd still be the concept of crime in an anarchist society

2017-09-04 04:47:55 UTC  

most anarchists aren't opposed to the law

2017-09-04 04:48:00 UTC  

they're just opposed to the current laws

2017-09-04 04:48:25 UTC  

But what if people refuse to listen to their orders? Because coercion would not be allowed, then people would be free to not have to listen to any rules.

2017-09-04 04:48:36 UTC  

in an anarchist society there wouldn't be any authority to enforce laws, laws would be collectively enforced

2017-09-04 04:48:42 UTC  

yes

2017-09-04 04:48:51 UTC  

>Collectively enforced
By whom?

2017-09-04 04:48:56 UTC  

the peeps

2017-09-04 04:49:16 UTC  

Thats right people would be free to not listen to any rules

2017-09-04 04:49:22 UTC  

as long as they aren't harming others

2017-09-04 04:49:25 UTC  

What if a gang of people collectively decide to commit mass murder and rape on a village? Would that be considered collective enforcement of their policies?

2017-09-04 04:49:32 UTC  

they they're harming others

2017-09-04 04:49:33 UTC  

any society can act in self defense

2017-09-04 04:49:54 UTC  

>implying bourgeois government isn't already a criminal organisation

2017-09-04 04:50:24 UTC  

they're also betraying anarchist principles

2017-09-04 04:50:50 UTC  

Dante went full anarchist

2017-09-04 04:50:58 UTC  

"Muh evil State"

2017-09-04 04:51:29 UTC  

although I don't see why a group would want to commit genocide agaisnt another ubder anarchism

2017-09-04 04:51:30 UTC  

@Railing No shit, any society can act in self defense, but dosen't the core principles of anarchism make them valid if what they believing they are doing is just and fair in their eyes?

2017-09-04 04:51:53 UTC  

no because anarchism has its own principles

2017-09-04 04:52:09 UTC  

being anti-authoritarian also means being anti-genocide

2017-09-04 04:52:10 UTC  

You cannot expect each other to all get in a big circle and hold hands and sing kumbiah, people are always going to wage war against each other.

2017-09-04 04:52:19 UTC  

well national anarchism is a thing

2017-09-04 04:52:28 UTC  

What an oxymoron.