Message from @Deleted User

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2017-09-09 03:35:17 UTC  

I don't think he approaches it from that perspective

2017-09-09 03:35:33 UTC  

but I personally think that it is more important

2017-09-09 03:35:49 UTC  

The physical nature of something tells you nothing of it's utility or it's importance

2017-09-09 03:36:13 UTC  

Materialism has no future or past @Deleted User

2017-09-09 03:37:31 UTC  

>The physical nature of something tells you nothing of it's utility or it's importance
I fully agree with this. But then how to make the leap into the metaphysical? Seems like just idealism.

2017-09-09 03:41:42 UTC  

What's the problem with idealism? The metaphysical incorporates the material, obviously

2017-09-09 03:41:47 UTC  

or else it would have no base

2017-09-09 03:42:43 UTC  

Well, just because the material lacks an essence, doesn't mean you should just go on and invent one for it in the metaphysical.

2017-09-09 03:43:29 UTC  

That's a kind of replacement mythology.

2017-09-09 03:44:01 UTC  

And I'm not sure if that's better or worse than before.

2017-09-09 03:44:37 UTC  

I can follow the scepticism, but not the supposed solution.

2017-09-09 03:46:32 UTC  

So you agree with that there is a space that needs to be filled but you don't agree with the replacement? @Deleted User

2017-09-09 03:47:28 UTC  

Pretty much. I'm just stuck on the that. Which I why I like Stirner. It is content with the lack of identity of the self.

2017-09-09 03:49:42 UTC  

But lack of identity would mean the lack of the individual and therefore nihilism

2017-09-09 03:49:55 UTC  

and nihilism is destructive in itself

2017-09-09 03:50:40 UTC  

Destructive in the sense that it negates ontological delusions, or 'spooks'.

2017-09-09 03:50:57 UTC  

It can be painful.

2017-09-09 03:51:51 UTC  

But I mean, are we doing philosophy or pain relief?

2017-09-09 03:53:25 UTC  

Philosophy is the development of understanding, which is a relief in itself

2017-09-09 03:53:33 UTC  

or you could advocate ignorance

2017-09-09 03:54:12 UTC  

Right, so how I am being deliberately destructive? It feels like a handwave.

2017-09-09 03:59:31 UTC  

It's deliberately destructive when you knowingly reduce the individual and his complexity

2017-09-09 04:00:16 UTC  

it ultimately comes down to egoism, which i find disgusting

2017-09-09 04:00:35 UTC  

Why?

2017-09-09 04:00:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/355925452402982913/1504929027858.png

2017-09-09 04:03:29 UTC  

It seems like meaningful ignorance to me

2017-09-09 04:03:36 UTC  

I am not reducing the individual, I am liberating it from false baggage. I get it depends on your perspective.

2017-09-09 04:03:38 UTC  

you have to ignore human history and behavior

2017-09-09 04:03:55 UTC  

Oh, so now we are a materialist.

2017-09-09 04:04:14 UTC  

>Materialism
>History and behavior

2017-09-09 04:04:16 UTC  

What

2017-09-09 04:04:26 UTC  

No, I'm not

2017-09-09 04:04:43 UTC  

History and behaviour is determined by material reality, no?

2017-09-09 04:04:44 UTC  

Is communism still a meme

2017-09-09 04:04:49 UTC  

Being anti-materialist doesn't mean that I disregard science

2017-09-09 04:05:04 UTC  

@Deleted User If conditions = material and not materials --> conditions sure

2017-09-09 04:05:11 UTC  

Seems like we have to hash out our terminology.

2017-09-09 04:05:17 UTC  

What do you lads think of the IRA

2017-09-09 04:05:22 UTC  

Everything can be reduced to the material @Deleted User

2017-09-09 04:05:25 UTC  

@Irish Take back what's yours mate

2017-09-09 04:05:29 UTC  

*reduced*