Message from @Kurt Sturm

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2017-10-19 03:33:23 UTC  

Out of the goodness of their hearts?

2017-10-19 03:33:45 UTC  

They didn't kill until very late in war.

2017-10-19 03:34:00 UTC  

Saying that worse conditions existed in Russia still doesn't being back the dead who died under Hitler's management.

2017-10-19 03:34:02 UTC  

Because Jews started a war on German people.

2017-10-19 03:34:24 UTC  

Mmmmm proof?

2017-10-19 03:35:46 UTC  

The question was, did the holocaust happen. So far the denial is based on intentions 'but they didn't mean to' and comparisons 'but worse conditions existed'. This is a kind of deflection.

2017-10-19 03:36:23 UTC  

I have no much data on the topic. I've seen newspapers long time ago where Jewish bankers and industry people proclaimed discontent with German nationalist movement.

2017-10-19 03:37:09 UTC  

Okay, so since Jewish higher ups were disatisfied with the Nazi party this justified kidnapping all Jewish civilians and placing them in work camps?

2017-10-19 03:37:17 UTC  

Even if they didn't kill them

2017-10-19 03:37:33 UTC  

I feel this is a fun devil's advocate game though.

2017-10-19 03:37:34 UTC  

@Deleted User This is important. Holocaust was not intended. Other nations suffered greater loss. Thus why distinguish "holocaust"?

2017-10-19 03:38:24 UTC  

@Kurt Sturm No, at first they didn't put Jews in the camp. At first they Germans asked Jews to leave.

2017-10-19 03:38:25 UTC  

The importance of events depend on your perspective and personal connection.

2017-10-19 03:38:28 UTC  

The systematic eradication of 12 million Jews and others deemed "undesirables" did occur

2017-10-19 03:38:38 UTC  

Germany was their home

2017-10-19 03:38:49 UTC  

They were being forced from their home for no reason?

2017-10-19 03:39:01 UTC  

That's under the UN definition of genocide even without the killing

2017-10-19 03:39:19 UTC  

@Kurt Sturm They were asked to give back the industry.

2017-10-19 03:39:30 UTC  

They industries they had built up?

2017-10-19 03:39:43 UTC  

German industry

2017-10-19 03:39:46 UTC  

If someone came into your hand and demanded your paycheck would you give it to them?

2017-10-19 03:39:50 UTC  

home*

2017-10-19 03:40:03 UTC  

Hadn't you earned this income?

2017-10-19 03:40:46 UTC  

Let's say it's not even a random individual demanding it, it's a government official targeting you because of your racial identity

2017-10-19 03:40:48 UTC  

Also Jews started to fight with nationalist movement. Not only industry owners.

2017-10-19 03:41:02 UTC  

The nationalist movement was targeting them no?

2017-10-19 03:41:22 UTC  

Did the Jew's initiate a myth that Germans controlled the world? Or did the Nazis initiate a myth that the Jews controlled Germany?

2017-10-19 03:41:44 UTC  

The subjective importance of an event is different from whether the event of the 'holocaust' happened. It seems like you are just annoyed that it gets more attention than another event of suffering which you identify with, presumably in Russia.

2017-10-19 03:42:01 UTC  

@Kurt Sturm Germans were targeting their industry back which belonged to Jews.

2017-10-19 03:42:25 UTC  

The majority of Germans didn't support the Nazis so stop saying Germans

2017-10-19 03:42:28 UTC  

It was the Nazis

2017-10-19 03:42:43 UTC  

Jews been resisting making a lot of propaganda against German nationalist movement.

2017-10-19 03:42:49 UTC  

Also these industries didn't "belong" to the Jews, they just happened to be lead by them

2017-10-19 03:43:14 UTC  

So because Germans were not capable of creating competition the Jews deserve genocide

2017-10-19 03:43:17 UTC  

Nazi logic

2017-10-19 03:43:21 UTC  

German people have a right for their industry

2017-10-19 03:43:38 UTC  

Right now you are just playing a game of 'pass the blame', which was not really the question or change the history of the holocaust from happening.

2017-10-19 03:44:04 UTC  

Has been fun though. Thanks for playing.

2017-10-19 03:44:05 UTC  

I claim Germans been resisting. They were under attack.

2017-10-19 03:44:11 UTC  

That's not how Germany worked back then, being a nationality did not give you the right to own an industry

2017-10-19 03:44:17 UTC  

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