Message from @Trve Metalist

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2017-12-07 22:33:51 UTC  

Thats nostalgia for you

2017-12-07 22:34:18 UTC  

I can start by saying my key issue with socialism/Marxism once you go far, is the risk of becoming the irony(a nation controlled by the few in parliament).

2017-12-07 22:34:23 UTC  

maybe people want to have a gov that doesnt steal their money for luxuries

2017-12-07 22:34:33 UTC  

Like stalin?

2017-12-07 22:34:39 UTC  

ex east bloc coutnries have terrible wealth inequality

2017-12-07 22:34:47 UTC  

@Deleted User Bureaucracy?

2017-12-07 22:34:55 UTC  

capitalism has failed in every way here

2017-12-07 22:35:15 UTC  

you know

2017-12-07 22:35:20 UTC  

First, are you familiar with the distinction of DoTP, socialism, and communism?

2017-12-07 22:35:23 UTC  

@olev I don't like using the Soviet union/China as an example, as it's like using the US as an example on capitalism. But yeah, the party>People.

2017-12-07 22:35:38 UTC  

I don't know much about China

2017-12-07 22:35:44 UTC  

they talk about the succeses of capitalism in the west, but what about africa and asia?

2017-12-07 22:36:00 UTC  

Ultimately the USSR became a bureaucracy because the lack of productive forces and lack of development

2017-12-07 22:36:01 UTC  

Is Xi an undercover tankie

2017-12-07 22:36:05 UTC  

They could not meet the needs of everyone

2017-12-07 22:36:24 UTC  

Nah

2017-12-07 22:36:24 UTC  

I'm familiar to a point on socialism, but I cannot properly distinct between Socialism/Communism.

2017-12-07 22:36:30 UTC  

people had food etc

2017-12-07 22:36:43 UTC  

Okay, so from a marxist perspective @Deleted User

2017-12-07 22:36:48 UTC  

USSR dissolved becouse beroucracy wanted a pizza hut and shit

2017-12-07 22:36:58 UTC  

they sold themselves to the west

2017-12-07 22:37:04 UTC  

thats why you dont do revisionism kids

2017-12-07 22:37:27 UTC  

take lessons from the DPRK

2017-12-07 22:37:31 UTC  

What

2017-12-07 22:37:34 UTC  

/s

2017-12-07 22:37:37 UTC  

The main difference between the socialist mode of production and communism is distribution of economic output

2017-12-07 22:37:51 UTC  

It might be helpful to know

2017-12-07 22:37:56 UTC  

Hmm, okay.

2017-12-07 22:38:11 UTC  

Marx originally made no distinction between socialism and communism, he just referred to it as "lower stage" and "higher stage" communism

2017-12-07 22:38:23 UTC  

But later in the 20th century, the term socialism assumed the lower stage communism

2017-12-07 22:38:36 UTC  

yeah its all words anyway and that doesnt matter

2017-12-07 22:38:51 UTC  

Anyways, the socialist mode of production is a historical phase in which production is solely for use and there is no law of value

2017-12-07 22:39:25 UTC  

To each according to his contribution

2017-12-07 22:39:28 UTC  

via labor credit

2017-12-07 22:39:39 UTC  

A system based on merit.

2017-12-07 22:39:52 UTC  

If you believe that labor is merit, then yes

2017-12-07 22:40:16 UTC  

People are reciprocated based upon their labor time

2017-12-07 22:40:56 UTC  

is the LTV outdated tbh?

2017-12-07 22:41:07 UTC  

Honestly, I think that's a very fair way to do things. I assume the state runs the labor credit distribution?

2017-12-07 22:41:21 UTC  

Now, obviously there is a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism

2017-12-07 22:41:21 UTC  

yes