that comes later

It’s all about rehabilitation

Not punishment

Exactly. They exist only to protect and serve the interests of the bourgeoisie.

Um you know that’s not true right

Um, I know it is.

That is not there sole purpose

I think he should do what is best to help society function well and reform people but I am not against a rigged system in favor of no system at all

If you think that you are beyond delusional

like my old friend and roommate murdered someone and my friends don't think the state should act

http://www.theolympian.com/news/local/article182677826.html

@black jack What is their purpose? Please explain before I embarass you.

protecting and serving people comes after the interest of the bourg tho

All I see is stupid republicans, and idiotic liberals, and I'm just here like "I just want lil peep back"

tbh xanax and codeine addicts are truly today what the hippies where in the 60s

I am not a huge fan of the music he did but I think we should handle drugs and addiction better

they are the true anti system

That the role of police is regularly brought to the centre of things is testimony to the crucial and apparently contradictory role they play in this society. Within the line of their work, they accomplish some seemingly positive things. For example, they may break up fights, arrest insane serial killers and if we are to believe modern televised mythology, help fragile old people cross hazardous city street corners. Then again, any striking worker that has had to deal with them knows they always defend the bosses interests, anybody who has any knowledge of the judicial system knows that they literally all lie under oath and anybody who was brought up in a poor working class neighbourhood has witnessed or experienced their abuse. Of course capitalists, politicians and media propagandists refer only to the former activities to actively promote the police in any way they can. Copwatch liberals and other critical apologists for the police will generally dismiss the latter activities and denounce "isolated cases", rogue cops and call for community control commissions or enquiries on individual incidents.

For most people, the concept of State is associated with legislatures and politicians. This is a very partial view of its content. Besides these institutions must be added the bureaucracy, the judicial apparatus, the clergy, the media, the army, and... the police. The police are the first line of the “bodies of armed men” (4) that are intended to defend the interest of the ruling class. If their real function was to stop crime, they would arrest every capitalist on the planet, as these are the true criminals and their regime the real source of all crime.

Unlike the worker whose interest is to get rid of the boss’s rule, the existence of the police is directly tied to the maintenance of the State and capitalist property relations. In this sense, in no way can cops or prison guards be seen as members of the working class as the trade unions would want us to believe.

I think in a more ideal state they would serve the interests of the people as compared to serving the interests of the people with power in society but I am not against the idea of law enforcement, laws, of the judicial system

Yeah, I agree. I am not at all opposed to something like a "Peoples Militia" or "Community Police Force".

well I think do process is important and people should do our best to avoid insane things like what happened in the Spanish civil war

mass executions based on suspected political associations

I agree, and I firmly believe that the executions which were carried out by the Republican side was a direct-result of the breakdown of the state, as opposed to the orchestrated killings which were organized and approved by Nationalist authorities.

I am of course not saying that their model is one which should be emulated. I am, after all, a Marxist-Leninist. Lol

I tend to ascribe to the mainstream consensus amongst historians in regards to the Spanish Civil War and the atrocities which took place.

yeah the nationalists were way worse but the republican side had major organizational issues along with crazy infighting that contributed to them losing the war along with very limited outside support from governments

Oh yeah, no doubt. There were so many different ideologies at play from Social Democracy to Trotskyism to Anarchism to Marxism-Leninism. Their downfall was inevitable imo. Not enough unity and little support from outside sources.

it is weird to think how long franco remained in power and how little was done about him

unrelated to leftist politics but are you guys buying yourself anything for xmas

Yeah, I think the church played a crucial role in stifling resistance.

As for Xmas, I may buy myself a book or two. You?

I got a little extra scratch from work bought shit for my family and friends but sprung for a ebook reader so I can read stuff away from my computer and not have to pay for it

I was thinking of buying a shotgun but I can always wait

I was thinking the 20" maverick 12guage pump I had the 18.5" model in the past

Nice, I still have a few gifts left to buy for others. And an ebook reader is definitely a great investment considering the vast amount of literature that can be downloaded in .pdf and other formats for free.

the 20" barrel model has a much larger mag tube

yeah I was thinking it would be a good idea

The Maverick is a very reliable and cost-effective shotgun.

yeah I like them I prefer mossberg over remington since they got bought by freedomgroup

I hate FG they pretty much just cut quality control to save a buck ruining tons of good products