@olev Hey

what are you?

I mean there hasn't really been any instances of complete abscence of commodity production, but the closest examples would be 1936-1939 Catalonia

Maybe the Kibbutz community in Israel a long time ago

Exactly

@Deleted User Trotskyist

So you are one of the pure socialists

The definition socialists

But a lot of people call you communist

Well the end goal of higher stage communism isn't really a matter to focus on

Exactly so your a communist

Correct

Just the thing is, "communism" is a taboo word because of red scare propaganda

So a lot of people believe socialism is now meant as a economy with high social welfare programs

That's called social democracy

Ok but people call it socialism

Well they're wrong

and uneducated

@olev so no marxism?

I’ve met “socialists” that call it that

I am a marxist @Deleted User

@black jack Then they're probably not socialists

In fact there are socialists that say marx didn’t invent socialism

Or the definition

Marx didn't invent socialism

If that isn’t true then socialism doesn’t exist

Because that is where the definition comes from

There was communist thought even in ancient greece

Now we are back to many definitions

Where do you get your definition

The idea of socialism existed before marx lmao

But did he define it

Not really, he used socialism and communism interchangably

Instead he split it into lower stage communism and higher stage communism

But later in the 20th century, marxists started using socialism to mean lower stage communism

So then the definition of socialism doesn’t exist

Yes there is a definition

From where

Don’t type it source it

You realize that definitions aren't always correct right

So there isn’t a definition