Message from @Deleted User

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2017-12-24 05:03:28 UTC  
2017-12-24 05:03:45 UTC  

Which means that he DID believen global revolution after all, as fast as possible.

2017-12-24 05:04:00 UTC  

It's one thing to say revolution must be international, but another to make it happen so.

2017-12-24 05:04:21 UTC  

hyeyo cucks]

2017-12-24 05:04:21 UTC  

@Deleted User The thing is that..... it won't, and frankly, never will.

2017-12-24 05:04:24 UTC  

Which is why it hasn't been touched since.

2017-12-24 05:04:35 UTC  

@乙Ƴя𐌆Ξ𝕊_𐌅𐍈𐍂_𐌊Ξ𐌊#0479 Hey alt-rightist.

2017-12-24 05:05:42 UTC  

@Deleted User I have to wonder how the USSR would have turned out if trotsky didn't get banished from the USSR and became leader.

2017-12-24 05:06:16 UTC  

Apparently Trotsky himself told journalists that if he was the leader instead of stalin, it wouldn't be much of a change

2017-12-24 05:06:20 UTC  

Probably would have ended in germany achieving lebenshraum with the allies supporting them....

2017-12-24 05:06:48 UTC  

@gay#2771 That I would doubt.

2017-12-24 05:07:41 UTC  

It wasn't about him losing a power struggle it was about the bureaucracy

2017-12-24 05:07:53 UTC  

Elaborate.

2017-12-24 05:09:33 UTC  

Stalin was too savvy. He lured the Germans *north of the wall*.

2017-12-24 05:10:19 UTC  

?

2017-12-24 05:11:00 UTC  

To suggest a 'what if' like this is asking to suspend disbelief. The better politician won.

2017-12-24 05:11:39 UTC  

True.

2017-12-24 05:11:41 UTC  

You mean the person who had superior manipulation tactics?

2017-12-24 05:11:50 UTC  

Sure.

2017-12-24 05:11:57 UTC  

Realpolitik.

2017-12-24 05:14:17 UTC  

Not that I really care. Everything ends in ruins.

2017-12-24 05:15:23 UTC  

According to historical and dialectical materialism I'm supposed to be invested in the worker class, but I am not. Couldn't care less.

2017-12-24 05:21:05 UTC  

The thing is, revolution is relatively easy. After that small battle you can say any ideology is responsible for your success, even God. And administration is also not very difficult, especially totalitarian kind with is brutish measures. That too can be claimed to be achieved by some special ideology. But really, at what point is the ideology really responsible? It is just all pragmatism up until this point, and not even the best kind,. Where can Marxism say "Here, this was achieve because of our theory". No where.

2017-12-24 05:29:34 UTC  

Where can any one?

2017-12-24 05:31:20 UTC  

Too much of the left is stuck in analysis. The martial ideas are the ones most readily validated.

2017-12-24 05:31:51 UTC  

But even then, who can account for what?

2017-12-24 05:32:32 UTC  

@Deleted User >Revolution
>Adminitstration
>Ideology
>All of these are easy to achieve/understand

2017-12-24 05:32:56 UTC  

They are commonplace.

2017-12-24 05:33:18 UTC  

Unremarkable.

2017-12-24 05:33:23 UTC  

Part of society.

2017-12-24 05:33:25 UTC  

What do you mean by that?

2017-12-24 05:34:05 UTC  

You don't need Marxism to accomplish any of these.

2017-12-24 05:34:22 UTC  

They are staples of human existence.

2017-12-24 05:35:36 UTC  

Nope, I don't see evidence of early humans making bureacracies, ideologies, or political revolutions.

2017-12-24 05:36:31 UTC  

Early humans had plenty of social structures, what?

2017-12-24 05:36:56 UTC  

Many struggles for power and upheavals.

2017-12-24 05:37:02 UTC  

Yep, social structures =/= a buracracy, ideology, or political revolution.

2017-12-24 05:37:33 UTC  

Hell, politicts are not even a THING back then!

2017-12-24 05:37:55 UTC  

Anyway, it's not about early humans, it's about Marxism being redundant in this area.

2017-12-24 05:38:25 UTC  

So it is redundant to human nature then?

2017-12-24 05:39:07 UTC  

That's a loaded word. I was more saying it adds no further insight into practical matters of governance etc.