Message from @Garbage

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2019-06-29 18:55:28 UTC  

Political struggles of the religious and crypto-religious sort that we see today, which involve the worship of idols from gods to identities alongside the ghostly economic process of capital (relating to unconscious economic processes), must be made history.

2019-06-29 18:56:51 UTC  

The aim is to ensure that people have no reason to fight as 'blacks', 'whites', 'women', 'men' or anything else. Those categories must be deprived of any real basis upon which they can exist as meaningful things. They must become superficial (which requires transhumanism).

2019-06-29 18:57:23 UTC  

In other words, people must take on the identity of no (specific) identity; they must lose every common thing between them besides their language and access to their power of reason.

2019-06-29 18:58:30 UTC  

Only in this way can we avoid stepping on each other's toes.

2019-06-29 18:58:54 UTC  

Anarchocommunists argue that this can be done on a much quicker time scale.

2019-06-29 19:00:40 UTC  

They say that states should be among the first things to be attacked because they simply are not necessary; they are the most powerful and unshakeable sorts of hegemony without which the Communist project would function better without.

2019-06-29 19:01:05 UTC  

A government (or maybe we can call it something else since you insist on conflating 'state' and 'government' even when every source that you bring up tells you otherwise), on the other hand, does not require a particular and set identity or even a class position around which to form a hegemony which fights off others. It is simply a coordination tool which attempts to, as neutrally as possible, provide conflict resolution in a way which does not require the creation of hegemonies to fight to direct production in accordance with a certain exclusive interest.

2019-06-29 19:04:50 UTC  

Again, the problem is that class politics works in terms of exclusive interests, whereas Communism seeks to escape this.

2019-06-29 19:05:50 UTC  

I might as well quote Syndrome of all people, slightly out of context: 'When everyone is super, no-one will be.'

2019-06-29 19:11:03 UTC  

There are two ways of resolving the problem of who gets what: the first is that they battle to set up and hegemonies and fight using these political fronts, wasting resources in trying to get others to submit to them; the second is that they cooperate to ensure that they can reach a mutual solution through which they can all fulfil their goals and in fact benefit from others fulfilling their goals too.

2019-06-29 19:12:22 UTC  

A more authoritarian tool is necessary to mitigate the first as far as Communists are concerned, and that's what Communists call a 'state'. It can encourage the second too, but such a violent tool is not necessary for that.

2019-06-29 19:14:14 UTC  

Non-Communist anarchists differ in opinions. Some might say that a 'state' is anything that isn't agreed towards, for example.

2019-06-29 19:15:03 UTC  

But of course, Mr Nuance, when you mention 'anarchy', the largest anarchist movement is anarchocommunism, so that's what I'm going to think you mean.

2019-06-29 19:16:43 UTC  

So it's not a straw man fallacy given that you gave me no hints as to what you meant. I don't know what's going on in your mind (though for an insult's sake, I could assume that it's an obese hamster trudging along in a wheel).

2019-06-30 19:42:24 UTC  

.@Garbage Why are you talking about wikipedia? digress much. You clerly said " cpommunism is doing what ever you want" You are still lying back pedalling and bullshitting.

2019-06-30 19:42:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/594976196437999622/unknown.png

2019-06-30 19:43:14 UTC  

So you have to submit and you are not free.

2019-06-30 19:44:14 UTC  

You made up this new thing saying "if there are enough resources. You have added this now in your backpeddal.. Yet you fail to see that resources are finite lmao

2019-06-30 19:52:59 UTC  

```Why are you talking about wikipedia? digress much. You clerly said " cpommunism is doing what ever you want" You are still lying back pedalling and bullshitting.
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2019-06-30 19:53:07 UTC  

[citation needed]

2019-06-30 19:53:36 UTC  

For someone who claims that I'm repeating myself, you sound like you're doing it all over again.

2019-06-30 19:53:45 UTC  

```So you have to submit and you are not free.```

2019-06-30 19:55:01 UTC  

You call it submission, but this conflict resolution is not something that one can choose not to do if they want to avoid an explosive political dispute brewing and a return to the politics of hegemony. It's a requirement for ever-greater freedom.

2019-06-30 19:55:10 UTC  

```You made up this new thing saying "if there are enough resources. You have added this now in your backpeddal.. Yet you fail to see that resources are finite lmao
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2019-06-30 19:55:24 UTC  

There was no backpedal here either; I spoke very clearly about this.

2019-06-30 19:55:50 UTC  

lol

2019-06-30 19:55:51 UTC  

Again, I have shown that there are two possible reasons for any political disputes.

2019-06-30 19:55:58 UTC  

still lying and denying that you said it

2019-06-30 19:56:12 UTC  

And you're going to post that cropped screen again, American?

2019-06-30 19:56:21 UTC  

Textbook burger.

2019-06-30 19:56:27 UTC  

citation needed lmap. like im gone read all your bs back. no one reads what you say you know

2019-06-30 19:56:36 UTC  

Coked.

2019-06-30 19:57:02 UTC  

Lastly, asserting that resource limitations cannot be dealt with is not a proof that they cannot be dealt with.

2019-06-30 19:57:14 UTC  

You clearly said it, no explation. no variable. even the "have enough resources" is a fallacy as resources are finite. and you are still talking

2019-06-30 19:57:46 UTC  

Resources are not *eternally fixed*.

2019-06-30 19:57:49 UTC  

your back peddal said you are free as a communist if there are enoufgh resources

2019-06-30 19:57:54 UTC  

now you say that there arent

2019-06-30 19:58:10 UTC  

so you arent free "to do what ever you want"

2019-06-30 19:58:15 UTC  

No, I clearly said that it's about expanding the pool of resources.

2019-06-30 19:58:26 UTC  

but resources are finite dummy

2019-06-30 19:58:27 UTC  

And I never argued about 'being free to do whatever one wants'.