Garbage is what?

then why dont you post that line

Politicaly?

**You assume that because there is this absolutised submission and a lack of an absolute 'freedom to do whatever you want, that a State is impossible to get rid of.**

@Deleted User

Because that line does not exist.

Then what started this then 😄

What started it is you assuming what I meant by 'submission' and 'freedom' when I never brought them up before you did.

I brought the submission up because you said that communism is free

Slavs resisted kingdomhood for so long

I did not even mention 'free' or 'freedom' before you did.

And then mongol came

Mongol rape

mkay, but wasnt that mostly tribes and such

Is strong

i guess when your state and govrenment gets raped all the time you would have anarchy for the most part

We agree that your notion of 'submission' - namely having to work within a collective and against unwilled processes to deal with present material conditions - is unavoidable.

Idealism and a lack of it

An absolute, heavenly state of freedom is impossible too, yes.

But that does not mean that there cannot be partial, time-dependent freedoms which relate to how we organise and use the world.

Ruling political programmes must become as neutral as possible and also as fertile for the growth of freedoms as possible.

To do that, they must always be changing, abolishing their past selves.

Interests must be made to constructively overlap rather than to conflict without destroying their key elements.

Now I think you make more sense than @Deleted User

Argument is flawless

And these interests themselves must be revised and strengthened constantly.

But before who?

@Deleted User of who is garbage?

Before as many who stand to have their livelihoods changed as possible.

All stakeholders involved must contribute and benefit too.

Communism is about militant advancement and an infinitely-expanding base of freedoms.

@Garbage what political parties do you support?

I do not support any in particular besides for critical and tactical purposes, and this is besides the point.

I might say more on that later.

Anyway, the point is that focussing on abstract freedoms and submissions is a false question, because it's obvious that ultimately, of course a most abstract 'submission' is unavoidable. The point is to abolish it.

It's not what Offender wants, though.

>he thinks I meant that Communism is where one can do what one fucking pleases all at once

>he thinks that I didn't mean that this was provisional

Okay it wasnt the word "free or freedom"

ow back pedals 😄