Message from @Garbage
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We already have concepts to describe these kinds of aggression, from passive-aggression to pacifism - but if we didn't have those, we would have no way of appreciating differences between the stages of things which change over time.
So we need to split these ideas open. It's like splitting 'fundamental' particles in a sense.
This is why I brought up the liar paradox.
The sentence 'this sentence is not true' contradicts itself and turns into something meaningless but only if we try to understand it as an unchanging thing.
**It is only absurd for those who have not yet grasped that the meaning of the sentence changes over time with each passing thought. When we look at how it contradicts itself, we find *two valid states* which, for a given moment, it can conform to: being true and being false.**
And there is also movement between being true and being false that we see in this picture.
This is closely linked to Hegel's dialectic: contradictory things are not just absurdities within a given system of thought, but they are things which necessitate a conscious division of the states between which they move - which implies that a new system of thought must be developed, often using pieces of the previous one.
**When applied to ourselves as people in general, it means that we cannot say that we are fundamentally determined by something which we can't ever be conscious of, because in our thoughts we can not only confront absurdities and meaningless things - dragging meaningful things out of them - but also, given the explosive paradox that I mentioned earlier, there's no way that we are static entities in any sense.**
***We cannot say that we are forever and causally determined by something that's outside of our sphere of reason and meaning - Marx's World of Man, Lacan's Symbolic Order - because then we can no longer say that we're casually determined by it since even if we came to know what truly determined us, we would already have understood it and we'd be beyond it control because we cannot fully understand ourselves at the present moment. __It becomes something which we just cannot control at that present moment.__***
So there is no responsibility upon anything else to do something about it or not. It is solely down to us.
It means that 'biology' is not an ultimate excuse to hide behind, since the only thing that stops us from modifying this is our present incompetence at changing it.
We do not have to have these bodies. Our subjectivities accelerate far beyond this, and they at least mostly can be preserved even if our biology is changed.
To say that we are essentially biological as subjects is not just to misrecognise ourselves, but to *insist* on a certain kind of misrecognition.
It is to ignore what we actually are as subjects: voids, *creative nothings* (to use Stirner's term), processes set in an ever-more diverse kind of motion.
This insisted misrecognition always leads to some kind of exclusionary politics - if people are fundamentally constituted by a combination of roles, for example, then *of course* it follows that to not follow that combination of roles would be to destroy people.
To uphold the existence of anyone who, by those standards, does not fulfil their personhood (i.e. how well they suit any of the roles in existence), would be to pour poison into the ocean of society according to such politics.
These standards built upon such insisted misrecognition are consciously conceived of by people in their thoughts and discourse to some degree or another. This is why there is a need to speak about 'liberty', 'purity' and all that shit in the first place and argue about it to convince people to do it on an intellectual, theoretical level.
It's never simply because of things like 'oh, they killed my brother' - it's about what that means and how people use such events to convince each other of the success of pursuing some political programme. This is not something which can be wholly understood using sociobiology, which at most can only target ranges of specific cases which are then generalised in theoretical models.
People fuck shit up not because it relates to something which forever floats out of their control, *but because of something which they cannot currently control at the most granular present moment*.
**Hence the insistence on not controlling that for the sake of something which they imagine to be beyond them is a sign of DEFEATISM.**
In light of the death of determinism. saying 'a few people control the masses' ignores the things that 'the masses/people' do to each other and themselves.
We keep fucking ourselves up by subscribing to unchallenged defeatisms regarding the failures of ourselves - the irony is that we are not defeatist about such defeatisms. We still want to cling onto this, because the trauma of overcoming that is something which we assure ourselves is best to avoid. *We still have confidence in something, but it is something which, as an exclusive aim, will always eventually betray us as a political programme.*
Questions like 'who is 'worthy' enough? Why should there not be a more extreme restriction on who gets to feed?' explode out of such politics.
This is why the politics of exclusive interests (people acting *as* classes, sexes, races and so on) is really a submission to ghosts of our making, but not ghosts which we want to control.
Furthermore, because we relate to each other indirectly with such politics - as commodity sellers, people who like the Olympics and so on, rather than as people who only do things in a certain way *at the present moment* and have at least *some* control over themselves hence some responsibility - we honour things which we unconsciously subscribe and submit to in our practice. At the very least, we act as if we're not conscious of it.
For example, *capital* as a process.
A tumour, a runaway thing which dictates the successes and failures of what we do. It is the big Other of capitalism - the thing which sets the stage of our politics.
"This is an entirely different kind of thing. It exists, but it is not a thing which can be understood using biological models." It can and it has, here is one example
But what is the dimension of the meaning of shooting and stabbing?
I could pull an infinity of studies which claim that some genes lead to certain behaviours which manifest themselves in certain ways in our society.
No alleles casually determine us as subjects. This does nothing to deal with the paradox that I brought up earlier.
This is not an argument about 'data', but what it means. You have to use philosophical argumentation, or if you don't like the word 'philosophical': arguments which are about how we can know that biological processes casually determine us as humans.
Biological factors have effects, yes, that's obvious even insofar as them being used for political argumentation is concerned. Hormonal differences between people and over time can be shown to correlate with certain kinds of behaviour. The point is that the kinds of behaviours themselves as they presently exist are not formalisable to a full extent.
I mean, you could say 'certain genes make someone more contrarian', and I'd respond by saying 'that's not contrarian enough, that's now normalcy; I can think of something infinitely more contrarian with regards to the present state of the world and even potential future states'.
Moreover, none of these factors are things which we cannot work our way towards controlling.
You should not only read *Critique of the Gotha Programme* but also ZIzek's *Less Than Nothing* and some of his other books.
Hell, you might as well read Rafiq's angry walls on this. Ignore the text in the bubble underneath the link, it doesn't show up on the page that I've linked to.
https://www.revleft.space/vb/threads/193195-The-Friendzone?p=2834771#post2834771
If you can look past your laughter at his comically-absurd display of anger, you'll find plenty of arguments which are not only more effective than mine *but also wider in scope*.
(So much for a 'big ego' when I'm saying 'Rafiq knows more than I do about this', implying that he deserves to be called a Communist much more than I do!)