Message from @Garbage

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2019-07-10 13:56:32 UTC  

That is not what i said

2019-07-10 13:56:51 UTC  

you tist things in to a twister iceream

2019-07-10 13:57:13 UTC  

You said that this was the nature of the political system itself, did you not?

2019-07-10 13:57:19 UTC  

No

2019-07-10 13:57:23 UTC  

that is not what i said

2019-07-10 13:57:28 UTC  

it is teh nature of ppl

2019-07-10 13:57:57 UTC  

But honestly, what is your diagnoses.

2019-07-10 13:58:06 UTC  

some one sane would not keep this up so long

2019-07-10 13:58:09 UTC  

Which is the same thing as 'the nature of people', no?

2019-07-10 13:58:25 UTC  

i guess you could say that

2019-07-10 13:58:35 UTC  

but when you say of ppl

2019-07-10 13:58:37 UTC  

you generalize

2019-07-10 13:58:46 UTC  

The 'nature of people' would necessitate a given political system, would it not?

2019-07-10 13:58:49 UTC  

when the "ppl" who do the social engineering are but a few

2019-07-10 13:58:53 UTC  

so you are streching it

2019-07-10 13:58:57 UTC  

But they are still people.

2019-07-10 13:59:02 UTC  

sure

2019-07-10 13:59:20 UTC  

with different biological systems then other ppl who are also still ppl

2019-07-10 13:59:38 UTC  

But how is it causally owed to their biology?

2019-07-10 14:00:23 UTC  

If someone says that they're determined by their biology, then so must be the act of them saying that they're determined by their biology.

2019-07-10 14:00:31 UTC  

And the act of them recognising this act, too.

2019-07-10 14:00:54 UTC  

An infinite and paradoxical loop is created.

2019-07-10 14:01:28 UTC  

No biological basis upon which this paradoxical loop or anything like it depends has been isolated.

2019-07-10 14:01:42 UTC  

And it can never be isolated, because it's fundamentally different each time.

2019-07-10 14:01:56 UTC  

Our thoughts accelerate far ahead of our biology.

2019-07-10 14:02:33 UTC  

Biology is not fundamentally differnt each time

2019-07-10 14:02:38 UTC  

are you even ...

2019-07-10 14:02:55 UTC  

Do you know how genetics works

2019-07-10 14:02:57 UTC  

And I agree with you there. I'm saying that biology cannot keep up.

2019-07-10 14:03:06 UTC  

with markers and such being passed on to the offspring

2019-07-10 14:03:12 UTC  

resulting in simular offspring

2019-07-10 14:03:16 UTC  

No gene codes for the paradoxical loop.

2019-07-10 14:03:36 UTC  

That's why I said: "Our thoughts accelerate far ahead of our biology."

2019-07-10 14:03:38 UTC  

Yeah i dont know what you mean by that

2019-07-10 14:03:54 UTC  

you have to explain what your "idea" of of that is

2019-07-10 14:04:29 UTC  

It was all very clear. Thoughts explode into potential infinities, and they can be pushed infinitely further than manipulations of our genes can.

2019-07-10 14:04:43 UTC  

So there is no one-to-one correspondence between genes and thoughts.

2019-07-10 14:04:58 UTC  

In other words, no combinations of genes can be said to cause a certain thought.

2019-07-10 14:05:38 UTC  

This is an entirely different kind of thing. It exists, but it is not a thing which can be understood using biological models.

2019-07-10 14:06:29 UTC  

It's like 'aggression'. You can model something like it using biology, but only a set kind of 'aggression'. One can be 'cruel to be kind' or even 'kind to be cruel', for example.

2019-07-10 14:07:04 UTC  

Such an emotion or way of thinking cannot be wholly fitted into a biological model because it's too vague and too flexible.