Message from @Garbage

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2019-07-11 08:18:13 UTC  

You clearly don't know how science works or how it even began. Science rests upon *philosophical assumptions* - our modern sciences themselves came from natural philosophy for the most part.

2019-07-11 08:19:16 UTC  

For example, falsificationism (still upheld in bourgeois science to some degree) is a *philosophical* attempt at understanding what makes theories scientific.

2019-07-11 08:20:09 UTC  

The philosophy of science is by no means an uncontroversial area, either. Popper's falsificationism is at odds with the theories of Thomas Kuhn, for example.

2019-07-11 08:21:23 UTC  

Your claim of biological determinism itself rests upon philosophical assumptions, too. Your data does not say 'allele differences cause people who have those differences to stab other people'.

2019-07-11 08:23:45 UTC  

Here's the study you brought up.

2019-07-11 08:24:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598791760004775955/beaver2013.pdf

2019-07-11 08:25:12 UTC  

>The results of these studies have consistently revealed that low activity MAOA alleles are related to antisocial behaviors for males __who were maltreated as children__.

2019-07-11 08:26:15 UTC  

You ignored *this* risk factor too *even though it was mentioned in your screenshot of the abstract*.

2019-07-11 08:28:00 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598792596718092288/unknown.png

2019-07-11 08:28:17 UTC  

**Notice the lack of anything about what actually motivates one to shoot and stab.**

2019-07-11 08:30:28 UTC  

***Even if specific genes and alleles can be correlated with 'specific' behaviours like shooting and stabbing, for biological determinism to be true, those motivations need to be __at the very least__ correlated with differences in biological stuctures such as but not exclusively alleles. And so do the social structures which play parts in this, too. And so do thoughts. __You'd need an infinity of differences to understand the world, all ad-hoc, all ignoring the fact that we can consciously control this shit and already do to some degree in capitalism.__***

2019-07-11 08:31:13 UTC  

```Lol, i love how you argue that you dont have a big ego, because you say that some one else knows more doesnt means you have no ego. You have sjown your bloated ego already, ever y one knows
```

2019-07-11 08:32:44 UTC  

You said that I thought of myself as 'Communism', but if I say that someone else has more of a right to be called 'Communist' than me, then by my own metrics, I am not as much of a Communist as them.

2019-07-11 08:33:31 UTC  

If I'm saying that I'm dirt next to someone else, then maybe I don't have as big an ego as you previously alleged by saying 'you think you're Communism'.

2019-07-11 08:34:14 UTC  

I am confident in what I say, and you take this confidence as being unwarranted, which is the reason for your assertion that I have a 'big ego'.

2019-07-11 08:35:25 UTC  

You say that you've already proven me to be wrong in various matters, when as has been shown to other people like Firefly and Borzo, you have been utterly outgunned in almost every way.

2019-07-11 08:36:17 UTC  

**Maybe it's *you* who has the unwarranted confidence, and this is what damn near everyone else here seems to know.**

2019-07-11 08:36:55 UTC  

So even your assertion that 'everyone knows' is looking quite shaky.

2019-07-11 08:38:55 UTC  

Anyway, I've dug up even more about your study.

2019-07-11 08:39:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598795535624962087/unknown.png

2019-07-11 08:40:24 UTC  

Your study ignores the influences of poverty and of people's relations to production, i.e. *economics and politics*.

2019-07-11 08:41:24 UTC  

It mentions 'heritability', which relates to differences in phenotype due to differences in genotype but does not rule out 'nurture' factors rather than saying 'it's down to genes more than it is to society'.

2019-07-11 08:42:56 UTC  

Case in point:

2019-07-11 08:43:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598796410133151744/unknown.png

2019-07-11 08:44:00 UTC  

*And before you scream at me about 'heritability' - here's a source you know and love:*

2019-07-11 08:44:30 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598796749544620032/unknown.png

2019-07-11 08:45:59 UTC  

**It gets even worse for your case. These biological factors are themselves subject to our own practice - i.e. whether we leave them alone or change them in whatever ways, and how we change them. All that stops them from being 'Natural' is our present incompetence at manipulating these things.**

2019-07-11 08:46:44 UTC  

>Garbage mentally suppressed Offender 10/10

2019-07-11 08:47:10 UTC  

Offender knocked out completely

2019-07-11 08:47:35 UTC  

at this point is just humilation

2019-07-11 08:47:37 UTC  

left

2019-07-11 08:47:45 UTC  

He can keep going regardless of how much damage has been done to his case, which is what has been knocked out.

2019-07-11 08:48:43 UTC  

did he try meds?

2019-07-11 08:48:45 UTC  

Those who handicap themselves don't necessarily stop when faced with evidence that they're wrong.

2019-07-11 08:50:01 UTC  

He would simply say 'no u'. I might be trying to argue in good faith - even with all my ad-homs, since I've still made points - but that doesn't mean that anything necessitates him doing that.

2019-07-11 08:51:01 UTC  

There is nothing to stop him from repeating himself with a few changes to his words as if none of what I've said has damaged his case - yes, this is regardless of whether or not his case is kaput.

2019-07-11 08:52:06 UTC  

I hope you're not his doctor:))

2019-07-11 08:52:33 UTC  

Why to care about offender?

2019-07-11 08:52:40 UTC  

He is but an example.

2019-07-11 08:52:47 UTC  

I see