Message from @Garbage

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2019-07-11 12:47:51 UTC  

It doesnt says this

2019-07-11 12:48:07 UTC  

He shows the discussion not the abstrack

2019-07-11 12:48:29 UTC  

and even if these ppl were maltreated , this is because the parrents have a gentic disposition

2019-07-11 12:48:56 UTC  

Just because he randomly poast "sources" doesnt means that they substanciate what he says, which it doesnt

2019-07-11 12:49:10 UTC  

He is litterly denying heritability

2019-07-11 12:52:15 UTC  

Then he posts thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability

2019-07-11 12:53:21 UTC  

which diproves his "philisopucal tclaim. There isnt much philisophical to it it is pure statistics, and it shows that heritability is a thing. Which he claims its not because of my philisopical arguments

2019-07-11 12:55:10 UTC  

Did i ever rule out nature? No i did not. 100% implication. This is what he does and you are just not smart enough to see it . 0/10 comprehension skills.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598859832287559690/unknown.png

2019-07-11 12:55:42 UTC  

Firefly and garbage both got schooled.

2019-07-11 12:56:04 UTC  

And i can do it in little under 2 paragraps

2019-07-11 13:00:18 UTC  

let me riitterate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598861125739610152/unknown.png

2019-07-11 13:00:33 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/598861189300092953/muh_wealth_myth.jpg

2019-07-11 13:02:14 UTC  

"my study" Which study would that be?? i dont recall posting a study, and if i did it would not exclude the enviormental effects. This is nearly a biased assumtion, Yet another one on which you waste so much time typing all that non argumental text

2019-07-11 23:38:11 UTC  
2019-07-12 08:01:28 UTC  

```He shows the discussion not the abstrack
```

2019-07-12 08:03:07 UTC  

Ugh. The abstract won't tell you every little detail about the study, but even in the abstract itself, it says this:

2019-07-12 08:03:15 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/599148757904523295/unknown.png

2019-07-12 08:04:11 UTC  

**So even though it says that 'some parts of it aren't attributed to the 'environment'', it also says that previous studies have shown that it's environmentally-affected too.**

2019-07-12 08:05:01 UTC  

***Moreover, that abstract says: "The limitations of the study are discussed and suggestions
for future research are offered."***

2019-07-12 08:05:20 UTC  

```and even if these ppl were maltreated , this is because the parrents have a gentic disposition
```

2019-07-12 08:06:07 UTC  

A 'genetic predisposition' does not lead to a phenotype necessarily developing towards a given trait.

2019-07-12 08:06:23 UTC  

Sounds similar to the MAGA gene

2019-07-12 08:07:23 UTC  

**For your claim of human behaviour being causally reducible to biological factors to be correct, you would have to attribute EVERY SINGLE CHANGE in society to biological factors including your own actions. You're not excluded from the world, you also have an effect.**

2019-07-12 08:08:22 UTC  

***But again, as soon as you try to make a model of yourself, that model becomes invalid since you cannot account for you making that model of yourself.***

2019-07-12 08:10:14 UTC  

**And it is much the same with society in general - as soon as we model ourselves, we are already in some way beyond that model of ourselves. Biological determinism, for that reason, is for all we care *wrong*.**

2019-07-12 08:12:32 UTC  

***So giving a specific case for whether or not biological factors have the most influence over a specific set of behaviours is NOT evidence for biological determinism, because your claim must apply to all possible human actions INCLUDING YOUR OWN.***

2019-07-12 08:13:20 UTC  

__It's why I said that I could pull out an infinite supply of studies and there would still not be sufficient evidence to claim that biological determinism is true.__

2019-07-12 08:13:44 UTC  

```Did i ever rule out nature? No i did not. 100% implication. This is what he does and you are just not smart enough to see it . 0/10 comprehension skills.```

2019-07-12 08:14:07 UTC  

***I never said that you ruled out 'nature'. I've actually said that THIS IS YOUR GOD!***

2019-07-12 08:16:41 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360983468286410764/599152138698096643/unknown.png

2019-07-12 08:17:44 UTC  

In the screenshot you posted, there is **absolutely no talk about you ruling out 'nature'**. I said that heritability doesn't rule out 'nurture' instead.

2019-07-12 08:18:35 UTC  

```Just because he randomly poast "sources" doesnt means that they substanciate what he says, which it doesnt
He is litterly denying heritability```

2019-07-12 08:19:49 UTC  

This is yet another lie of yours. I have never said that 'heritability' does not exist; I've instead clarified what it means.

2019-07-12 08:23:08 UTC  

**And the hypocrisy regarding this whole 'sources' business is gigantic considering that you brought up a great many of the sources which I've showed don't prove what you say.**

2019-07-12 08:24:47 UTC  

***Just because you post Beaver 2003 or any number of studies which show that there is a high degree of heritability for various traits does not mean that biological determinism is true, because you have to post an infinite number of studies.***

2019-07-12 08:28:00 UTC  

```>muh prison rates```

2019-07-12 08:29:33 UTC  

**Way to dodge the point again, because I could easily say that this is attributed to structural racism, black culture and so on. You could then say that these too are the results of genetic predispositions, but then I could bring up an infinite amount of other things which are not automatically linked to genetic predispositions, *and I could always include you in the picture too*.**

2019-07-12 08:30:01 UTC  

Are you not helping the very racists who would like to maintain this state of affairs, for example? Is *that* owed to your own genetic predispositions?

2019-07-12 08:30:20 UTC  

But anyway, let's bring up this study:

2019-07-12 08:34:24 UTC  

Notice how *in your screenshot alone* it talks about those who *started off* with more wealth in 1985 and then looks at major incarcerations up to 2012.