Message from @not_matt

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2017-05-28 05:17:41 UTC  

When the poorest whites end up commiting less crime than the richest blacks race does seem to be a pretty blatant factor

2017-05-28 05:18:25 UTC  

Again I'm not saying its the only factor in the way a person or group behaves but it is still real none the less.

2017-05-28 05:19:43 UTC  

that's actually not true (I'll look for the proof give me a minute) blacks get CAUGHT for crimes more often, but they COMMIT them the same as whites when u control for other variables

2017-05-28 05:20:36 UTC  

If that's true than it means they're less capable of evading notice when doing something wrong, not that the cops are out to get all of them.

2017-05-28 05:20:42 UTC  

@mater06 its done.

2017-05-28 05:21:17 UTC  

But then you've categorized 'a persons ability to be sneaky' as dependent on something rather than their own individual ability and choices

2017-05-28 05:22:05 UTC  

It's a tendency not an absolute conclusion on a case by case basis.

2017-05-28 05:22:55 UTC  

If more blacks get caught commiting crimes than whites its pretty obvious they TEND to be less capable of avoiding getting caught.

2017-05-28 05:23:19 UTC  

I would say they just commit more crimes but whatever.

2017-05-28 05:26:37 UTC  

if race has a causal effect on a person's proclivity to commit crimes rather than a coincidental correlation caused by and reinforced by material circumstances, then people are not free- there is some inherent part of a person which is subject to factors (their race) outside of their control

2017-05-28 05:26:59 UTC  

yeah sadly that's just reality

2017-05-28 05:27:10 UTC  

ok but u said earlier you thought people were free

2017-05-28 05:27:30 UTC  

not that people can't make different choices but that there are influences on them and their way of thinking

2017-05-28 05:27:47 UTC  

their material circumstances are what are those influence tho

2017-05-28 05:27:58 UTC  

not some arbitrary shit about their color or ancestry

2017-05-28 05:28:01 UTC  

no

2017-05-28 05:28:04 UTC  

ya

2017-05-28 05:28:10 UTC  

; )

2017-05-28 05:28:40 UTC  

when poor white commit LESS crime on par with RICH blacks obviously material circumstance is not solely to blame.

2017-05-28 05:28:56 UTC  

well racism is a part of a persons material experience

2017-05-28 05:29:02 UTC  

culture is a part of a persons material experience

2017-05-28 05:29:32 UTC  

There's a reason Bulgaria is not as violent as Sierra Leone ya know

2017-05-28 05:29:42 UTC  

there's many reasons.

2017-05-28 05:29:46 UTC  

not just race

2017-05-28 05:30:02 UTC  

to say its caused by race is to oversimplify

2017-05-28 05:30:05 UTC  

you're making things easy

2017-05-28 05:30:18 UTC  

if i was to analyze crime rates in bulgaria and sierra leone i could write a thesis

2017-05-28 05:30:22 UTC  

Rascism wouldn't be a problem if different races weren't regularly forced to interact

2017-05-28 05:30:26 UTC  

ugh

2017-05-28 05:30:27 UTC  

but they are

2017-05-28 05:30:33 UTC  

they aren't forced to

2017-05-28 05:30:39 UTC  

self-segregation is the biggest form of racism

2017-05-28 05:30:45 UTC  

why am i even discussing this shit lmao

2017-05-28 05:30:51 UTC  

im supposed to be memeing

2017-05-28 05:30:51 UTC  

"What is integration and diversity?"

2017-05-28 05:31:08 UTC  

self-segregation is self-determination

2017-05-28 05:31:44 UTC  

MOST people would rather be with people who are like them racially than vice versa.

2017-05-28 05:31:54 UTC  

its internalized essentializing (racism)

2017-05-28 05:32:03 UTC  

Its human nature

2017-05-28 05:32:07 UTC  

hahahaha

2017-05-28 05:32:09 UTC  

Just say that.