Conventional logic is limited.

It is also used in dialectics.

I don't think one is better than the other.

I think conjecture of what could be should always be welcome, but at the end of the day practicality is all you can actually go off of

I think we are done here.

sure

@Deleted User One is included in the other.

It is an extension.

@Firefly Can dialectical logic show that the universe did not have a beginning?

@Deleted User It can show. There was an article about it from Proriv. But I'm not sure of their version as well.

I personally do not follow any of this theories at this moment. It is out of my field of study. But I know few things are incorrect in the theories that are present.

From the perspective of logic.

Not sure if it is anyhow relevant to me. But following Judaist tradition and Catholic force of Big Bang I will not. Not enough evidence for the logical assumptions.

At this moment.

Okay. I appreciate the input.

From another side we have evidence of everything existing for as far as we can see. So eternal (for us) existence of the universe is the only thing we can see.

Knowledge without speculation is more trustworthy in this case.

For me.

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Why does the universe exist rather than not exist?

There is no purpose.

It is how it is.

Can the universe ever not exist?

Have no idea. I'm leaning towards eternal universe.

But I don't know.

You will want to say that it must always exist. If it ever becomes non existing then something else will have to make it exist again. Unless matter is self generating from nothing.

@Deleted User Who want? No, I don't want to say this. We don't know. I don't.

Okay, you do not want to answer. But I was just warning of problems.

There is no reason for it to exist.

My head hurts.

Thanks for the chat.

Turns out I was barking up the wrong tree trying to see if science (cosmology) can show whether the universe had a beginning or not (it can't).

It is important to follow philosophy from the beginning. If you started with theologians after Greeks its all good. There going to be rise and fall of metaphysics after that. More objectivity with more modern philosophers and finally dialectics. Do not completely reject any of it. It is important for study of dialectics and materialism. The history of human thought is of value by itself even if it is very far from reality in the beginning.

Yes, right now I am stuck on Aristotle and Aquinas' commentary.

This peppy little virgin is giving me a headache.