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2017-06-10 00:13:50 UTC  

From my understanding of it so far it also makes false claims about Christianity.

2017-06-10 00:14:00 UTC  

Such as being about the worship of man.

2017-06-10 00:14:26 UTC  

It is based on Hegel's theology.

2017-06-10 00:15:36 UTC  

And Feuerbach's idea is that there is an anthropological (man-made) explanation for religion.

2017-06-10 00:15:58 UTC  

Which is fine and dandy, but it doesn't get to the root of the issue of metaphysical claims.

2017-06-10 00:17:08 UTC  

These are two separate things. You have to be a believing Hegelian to have relevance to this critique.

2017-06-10 00:19:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/322892410973847557/4663ffdb7e36a984e20451d5fa0568fe.jpg

2017-06-10 00:19:14 UTC  

This fucking guy.

2017-06-10 00:19:56 UTC  

Hegel was a Protestant.

2017-06-10 00:21:07 UTC  

Saving that picture

2017-06-10 00:21:50 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/322893083417116672/ARISTOTLEAQUINAS.jpg

2017-06-10 00:22:42 UTC  

That's a good one too

2017-06-10 00:22:48 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/322893329186422805/af65cc5e54eec60146ff5a60e9270377ef217dc600262371b288bf4d59076429.jpg

2017-06-10 00:23:02 UTC  

Where are you getting these?

2017-06-10 00:23:24 UTC  

I found this website called Google.

2017-06-10 00:24:28 UTC  

I see

2017-06-10 00:31:05 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/322895409263542282/7432b3dfdc7e68fa49b1e256dca13e1f.jpg

2017-06-10 00:32:48 UTC  

I'm going mad.

2017-06-10 00:57:38 UTC  

Feuerbach does not exactly say there is no need for God. He says that God is explained by anthropology. The God that man projects is not the same God posed by Aquinas. He establishes God's essence through logic not inference of common traits.

2017-06-10 01:00:55 UTC  

Did you actually read Feuerbach?

2017-06-10 01:03:54 UTC  

I never read Aquinas and probably will never do.

2017-06-10 01:04:26 UTC  

I'm not sure what is a problem.

2017-06-10 01:07:07 UTC  

My understanding is if there is a first mover - he is the one to move first by itself. In this situation universe is criticized as being unable to make the first move and in the same time first mover is able. For me it is just an imaginary situation. The universe is eternally moving as far as we know.

2017-06-10 01:07:41 UTC  

If the first mover can move by himself than the universe also can.

2017-06-10 01:07:54 UTC  

The need of the first mover is not obvious to me.

2017-06-10 01:09:12 UTC  

The first mover is necessary, it is called 'contingent being'. You can read about it here if you want to. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmological-argument/

2017-06-10 01:09:19 UTC  

Anyway, I'm just flapping about being a drama queen. For a normal person ambiguity is not a problem. But my personality does not allow it.

2017-06-10 01:09:43 UTC  

>The first mover is necessary, it is called 'contingent being'.

2017-06-10 01:09:47 UTC  

For who?

2017-06-10 01:10:00 UTC  

Not necessary for me.

2017-06-10 01:10:58 UTC  

Yeah, I'm not explaining it.

2017-06-10 01:11:19 UTC  

Not necessary for most philosophers past 1800

2017-06-10 01:12:07 UTC  

That's because they haven't examined the arguments.

2017-06-10 01:12:22 UTC  

No, they disagree with arguments.

2017-06-10 01:12:30 UTC  

Not that I have seen.

2017-06-10 01:12:41 UTC  

You just disregard the arguments.

2017-06-10 01:12:57 UTC  

That's an insult.

2017-06-10 01:16:32 UTC  

You did disregard my argument and it is not even my. Everybody agrees on this.

2017-06-10 01:17:08 UTC  

Agrees on what?

2017-06-10 01:18:40 UTC  

If you have something able to move by itself - like the universe, than there is no need for the first mover. But you deny universe the ability to move by itself. You think it is about causality. And the cause is just an abstraction.