Message from @twook
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@twook I didn't know that your entire country collapsing after all of the states within it declare independance wasn't a bad thing.
tito died before that happened and im not in this to discuss nationalism
i just believe he had good policies that aided the working class
@twook Well, he failed to stop the nationalism that tore his country apart and led to it collapsing, which is an administraitve and executive failure.
I suppose but I wouldn't blame him exactly, it was kinda inevitable I suppose unless someone very similar to him had succeeded him
but instead it was nationalists who in turn spurred opposing nationalism
@twook >Nationalists opposed nationalists
What?
that happens all the time
when you have two different nations
You can blame tito exactly because he failed to stop his country from collapsing, and the issues plauging it at the time.
that was basically like the entire 18th 19th and 20th centruy
nations fighting it out
nations of nationalists
@Deleted User why do you think yugoslavia broke apart
it was nationalism vs nationalism
and maybe he could have done more to try and quell it but eh
@Arch_NME No it wasn't, during the 18th century, what we know as nationalism now didn't even exist, this applies as well to the 19th century as well, up until extremely late in that century, and it wasn't the cause for WW1, or WW2 either.
i dont really care to speculate i just like his economic policies
@twook No it wasn't, it was because those countries wanted to separate from yugoslavia and to manage their own people under their own rules outside of a soviet occupied state, it had nothing to do with nations fighting each other.
so
it was literally nationalists fighting nationalists
@twook For the most part wasn't the independance declarations bloodless? Last I heard of bloodshed in the balkans, was far after yugoslavia collapsed.
Of course, when a country that has existed since the 50's collapses in a way similar to the soviet union, that will leave the region exceptionally unstable.
(As what happened in the northern middle east, and eastern europe after the soviet union collapsed.)
yeah initially they were, the fighting flared up later, but regardless i dont think he was at fault, but he was kind of the only person keeping things chill between everybody
@twook Yet, he failed to stop the fighting from occuring, his only notable feat was being able to keep yugoslavia together for a short period of time, and surviving several assassination attempts by stalin.
I dont really know what you expect me to say this is more of a discussion on race relations than what I believe he did right, he died and nationalists replaced him and the country as it was broke apart due to the tensions that arose from that
@twook I don't desire a reaction out of you, but I am calling your beliefs shit, and I am stating why with evidence.
I've said multiple times I just agree with his policies
particularly the socialist-esque economic plans and opposition to stalinism
Yet the policies did not help people that much, and could not prevent the destabilization, and eventual collapse of the country.
I dont kiss a picture of the guy before i go to bed lmao
tfw communism will probably never be realized within your lifetime
@twook Okay? Why follow a person who's policies were an utter failure?
because ive said multiple times the country didnt fail because of them, in fact he was the only glue holding that shit together from what I've seen
@twook Yet, he wasn't enough.
That's something you must realize.
alright?
that was never a point I argued