first the core principal I totally support

once you start to differentiate capitalism as being "corporatism" the argument gets really nonsensical

capital will always accumulate towards the top and will always consolidate into a few groups or individuals, so corporatism, if it even exists as a separate thing, is just the end result of capitalism

Yes

to work in a dangerous working environment is wrong. there are stories of workers in third world sulfur mines without gas masks. that is wrong plain and simple and unions for them I am 100 percent in favour of

ill come to capitalism in a minute

Worker unions arent only for dangerous working conditions tho

but my gripe with unions is when they get too powerful. some picket lines use intimidation to other workers and sometimes even violence that is also wrong

violence cannot solve a civil dispute

and my other point was for critical industries. lets say every single subway worker in the world went on strike today. and lets say you and your friends intended to go to subway what would you do?

Go on foot

Like dude

If all of them strike at once

subway is in the fast food place

Oh

go somewhere else..

If all of them strike

thats obviously not going to happen any time soon and if it did then they must have a really good reason

Its because they probably are being exploited and are tired

And something really fucked up is happening and they have the right to strike

exactly because there are economic substitutes. and im just talking in the hypothetical so it doesn't need to be realistic its just principle

Ok

So whats the problem if they strike

but now lets say that every single fireman went on strike on the same day and your house was on fire. no if subway goes on strike I have no relation to subway so no skin off my nose but for cases where there are no substitutes what can you as a consumer what would you do. because what I just said literally happened in great Britain in the seventies. the army had reserve fire engines called green goddesses so people houses would not burn to the ground

so the problem was resolved with the army

Even in a case that extreme

or the sewage plant. so you cant flush your toilet. what substitute is their for that. unions and companies are not inherently evil but a balance must be struck

The army solved it

but a line must be drawn. or in the case of power. for days sometimes the power plant workers would go on strike and the whole country would literally grind to a halt. and because it is such a specialized job the army could not do it. so I am against exploitation but it is wrong for a union of lets say ten thousand people to hold a country of sixty million to ransom for some pay

maybe the company should give the union what they want

UK labours own motto is " For the many not the few "

@T. Raven ill respond to that in a minute

lets say that when you were a child your parents gave you ten dollars every day

then one day they lowered it to five what would you do?

lets say you were 8 at the time just for the sake of debate

why am i getting money for doing nothing

im not a capitalist

just abstract just pretend

you're 8 remember so pretend

im getting money for doing nothing

i would assume that 8 year old raven wouldn't like having five dollars less because why not. my point was that you would resent any times when your demands were not met. not seeing it from your parents perspective. perhaps they are recently having financial troubles so they lower it. we forget how hard it is to really look at it from another persons shoes