One moment

Lenin has quoted himself by calling the Soviet Union State Capitalist in the third internationale

Communism was never achieved by the Soviet Union due to the corruption and incompetence of the Bolshevik movement to gain any traction that wouldn't lead into an authoritarian state

Keep in mind this book was written in *1892*

Before the Soviet failure and the betrayal of the revolution by the greedy

People want their labor to be worth something

and giving the power to determine the worth and value of everything a worker does can be very frustrating and convoluted

Off topic for a second, but Kropotkin was born into Russian nobility but had denounced his claim to work on social justice and equality of the workers in Europe.

Yes, I read a few portions, of when he exiled to Siberia and when he returned to Russia to see Communism to be in quite in mess. Far from what he envisioned it to be.

Quite depressing

Yes, a pretty sad story.

The closest he had to a movement was the Black Army in Ukraine

but uh

they may or may not have killed a lot of Russian Peasants or it could be Bolshevik propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine

Nestor was the "leader" of the anarcho-communist movement and had lead to the front of the war against the White Army and later the Red Army when they were threatening the Free State

Ok back to the discussion at hand, the problem with collectivization is that it implies that the workers themselves must be united in a cause to fight against their oppressors, being bourgeoise, but considering the sheer amount of propaganda and sentiment these days there aren't many anarcho-communes in the Western World

People have relied on their state so long that if it ever collapsed or went into turmoil, they would lose themselves and go to who ever the closest "person of power" is. For example, Somalia there were several movements of non western funded organizations that are "liberal" by nature who wish to restore the Somalian Republic before the invasions and massive conflicts started in the region by the Warlords and Ethiopians. Some of these movements managed to work together to stop illegal fishing off the shores of Somalia. Other movements in the former nation forced themselves in Somaliland to get away from the brutal political and hellish warfare from the rest of the country....


People will fight and die for causes they don't understand and hopefully will gain independence soon enough from their oppressors. The forever changing chain of Thesis V Anti-Thesis must end soon before it quite literally destroys the world entirely. The only way to accomplish such, is to destroy all hieratical systems, all forms of government, the abolishment of the self serving capitalist system, and the dismantling of leaders as we know it...

Hmm the picture you point, is quite a grim one. I hope it leads to a good resolution. It's like burning the old order, for a whole new one entirely.
If the working class people do rise up, against the ruling class. Eventually overthrow them. Is there a guarantee of a peaceful classless society that Marx envisioned? Or will we be constantly be trapped in an endless cycle of class struggle. One replacing the other.

Also from the capitalist mindset I am from I generally don't believe so strongly in class antagonisms. If someone ends up with more wealth whether through luck or effort. The point that you become the ruling class may not always be true. That might not necessarily exploit the worker.
Would revolution always be necessary in such cases?
I know in some cases where it absolutely is. In our current age it definitely is. But in certain circumstances Like I pointed out before, would there always be the case of exploitation. Would there ever be cases, where we might cooperate together for more gain with our own free will. Rather than exploiting each other.

Yes, I agree with you. I can't see anything different from that. Even Marx is considered higher in an Hierarchical point of view, when you consider Communism. I mean you can't get rid of it, no matter how much you try.
It's something quite inbuilt in us, I think as human beings. Similarly like in many animals. The recognition of ability,character and resilience are very essential part of us. Likewise we give respect to that person when we acknowledge them.
Though I do prefer we not worship them. That'd cause lot of problems and that is also a very major flaw we humans have, I believe.

@Prometheus
The society without greed and lust for money can be peaceful, but it really depends on the actions of humans within the society...humanity is unpredictable and chaotic by nature, people always let the profit of money get in the way of any progression or change creating a state of constant stagnation

Free will is a myth we tell ourselves, anything can be manipulated and changed according to the powers that be and the people behind them

@Łukasz that is why there must be an absolute destruction of the hierarchal systems that are around in order to create a better world

deep throated by numidium @Ned Kelly

also this discussion is crind

so much essentialism

@Cúchulainn I just looked at your previous answer and I feel stupid

Answer who is Tiber’s most loyal solider

And you aren’t wrong or right on the answer since the canon has changed

I would you are tho

zurin arctus @Ned Kelly

Wrong

Try again :)))

If you want a hint let me know

@Cúchulainn

He was also considered “the Jewel of the Empire”

the answer is zurin arctus in reference to a daggerfall-era meme

but otherwise idk lol @Ned Kelly

it wasn't wulfharth i wouldn't think

Its a dragon

Nafaalilargus

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Nafaalilargus