what marx proposed, wasnt communism when he wrote the communist manifesto, and it absolutely isnt what we consider “communist” today

my three problems with communism are the three tenets of a communist society.

The manifesto isn’t very important. It’s a small pamphlet with no substance

I like the state. i like class heirarchy. i like money.

ill provide a test since i barely have any tags

Well how are you defining the first two. There won’t be absolute equality and there will be no state insofar as there are no bodies of armed men used to hold society together

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are you familiar with the ML conception of the state?

i mean, kinda.

Well can you elaborate on your desire to keep class, the state, and money

the state is obvious. it is a natural expansion of the human spirit.

the idea of communism, then, seems ludicrous to me.

the state IS the collective.

how can you serve the collective when there is no formal expression of it?

Why do you need a formal expression?

It isn't like you can't work in a group without a name

@Milorad because tyrrany of formal powers is preferable to tyrrany of informal powers.

What if I told you

There's no tyranny?

how would there be no tyrrany?

Bruh when I work on a group project I'm not under any tyranny

i hate group projects. you arent garnering any sympathy with that.

leaders are natural.

That's just being anti social

no, its not, i just prefer when people know what the fuck they are doing instead of “oh umming” forever about what they SHOULD do.

Also leaders aren't natural for humans

So your objection to statelessness is that you believe there must be bodies of armed men to represent society?

@☭ Anon ☭ yes.

People have been living in horde societies centuries before any notion of a hierarchy

or else other bodies of armed men will do it for you.

Without any alpha males or such

@Milorad and out of that came ordered heirarchies.

i wonder why.

its almost like they work.

It's because of farming and debt

The state is a manifestation of class antagonisms. There will be no need for such if class dissolves

After people settled families in a horde that couldn't provide for themselves were made into debt and eventually slaves

class antagonisms are a good thing.

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Why must there be an antagonistic relationship between a ruling and working class