nerds

thinking that capitalist propaganda is correct

of course he won't go to the other link I gave.

For one, Xexizy and FinBol start out wrong here. The definition of Capitalism is right, sure.
But you'd have to say *well bc it's a state* makes it not commodity production. They are doing it for the *same* reason. The workers of the USSR were not planning this themselves. They didn't even own the shit.

inb4 worker representation = socialism

Nationalizing every single industry would not make America socialist

At this point you're arguing statism can now be socialism. Which just deviates from the initial point.

oh so everybody who disagrees with you is wrong

bruh

https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780190695545.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780190695545-e-50

Are you saying if we *represent* workers owning things they actually own it?

Representation is not ownership. Republic are not direct Democracies.

what other class was there then?

"manager", dont make me laugh with that

>the state in itself does not function with the same utility
>when it's doing the exact same thing as Capitalists were b4 but with nationalization and worker representation

You could literally destroy wealth classes

Have this and you still don't have workers controlling it

>capitalists exist under the ussr

proof?

I didn't say that

Don't strawman

then who owns them, what are the peoole with special relations to them

```>when it's doing the exact *same thing* as Capitalists were b4 but with nationalization and worker representation```

the state itself does not constitute a class

The state planners were, actually. The soviet government did this

dude

I literally just explained

you can destroy a wealth class of owners

>the planners are capitalists

Strawmanning hard asf

>took the place of capitalists

and if the state still MAINTAINS their position, nothing has changed except you've nationalized

No, they directed the economy

Was Fascist Italy Socialist? The Social Republic loved nationalizing

You have not shown how planners can be a class

must be socialism

I'm bored and lonely

I didn't call planners a class

But you literally did

"The state planners were, actually. The soviet government did this"

They did not *directly own* by legal terms, but they collectively did the same thing. Claiming it was representing.

Directing an economy =/= Socialism

Imagine taking context out

Organization is *one* part of it and I have given more than enough evidence

Where is yours?