Message from @Cyborg
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What the f
can you guarantee me that wikipedia has the truth
Who the hell are the mods?
@η αρετή Ενωχ can you guarantee someone else does?
Who are the people?
i don't know their names 🤔
what
Depends on the source
You can read this too
If you don't take finnish bolsheviks argument then you are too far gone
>if you don't listen to the bowlcut ML
The USSR was state capitalist smh
nerds
thinking that capitalist propaganda is correct
of course he won't go to the other link I gave.
For one, Xexizy and FinBol start out wrong here. The definition of Capitalism is right, sure.
But you'd have to say *well bc it's a state* makes it not commodity production. They are doing it for the *same* reason. The workers of the USSR were not planning this themselves. They didn't even own the shit.
inb4 worker representation = socialism
Nationalizing every single industry would not make America socialist
At this point you're arguing statism can now be socialism. Which just deviates from the initial point.
oh so everybody who disagrees with you is wrong
Are you saying if we *represent* workers owning things they actually own it?
Representation is not ownership. Republic are not direct Democracies.
what other class was there then?
"manager", dont make me laugh with that
>the state in itself does not function with the same utility
>when it's doing the exact same thing as Capitalists were b4 but with nationalization and worker representation
You could literally destroy wealth classes
Have this and you still don't have workers controlling it
>capitalists exist under the ussr
proof?
I didn't say that
Don't strawman
then who owns them, what are the peoole with special relations to them
```>when it's doing the exact *same thing* as Capitalists were b4 but with nationalization and worker representation```
the state itself does not constitute a class
The state planners were, actually. The soviet government did this
dude
I literally just explained
you can destroy a wealth class of owners
>the planners are capitalists