Message from @Cúchulainn
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He started it because he generally wanted to reform the church, he only attempted to create another church after the diet of Worms
Mainly because he pope excommunicated the bastard
Another reformations happened before him but are mostly not talked about at all anymore
Which had most justification than he could ever
There is no evidence for the claim that the Church was corrupt and Luther wanted to reform it. If you actually look at what Luther himself said, you see no mentions of that stuff, just complaints about how he disagreed with the Church's doctrines. It wasn't until centuries later that people started claiming that the Church was corrupt and Luther wanted to fix it.
@Deleted User I meant in the context that Saints come around in the church in the Medieval Era
No there have been saints all throughout Christian history
Yeah but they werent “officially” proclaimed until much later
And iirc early theologians didnt really speak of them much
@Deleted User what did he mean by indulgences then in his 95 theses?
An indulgence is the removal of temporal punishment for sins that have already forgiven. It is not, and never was, a "get out of hell" card.
It wasnt free tho
so if someone commits adultery and asks for forgiveness, despite already having committed that sin before many times, they would be clean if they paid money or actually repented...
No, that's not actually what happened.
Why did the Catholic church also remove Simony and those indulgences at the council of Trent?
That's not an indulgence. The fact that protestants literally have to make up strawman arguments instead of criticizing the Church for what it really said/did just goes to show that they don't really have an argument, just whining.
Like I said, an indulgence is the removal of temporal punishment for sins that have already forgiven. It is not, and never was, a "get out of hell" card.
What about Trent tho?
It doesn't matter, an indulgence is what it is, and I told you what it is. You can't redefine it just to make it look bad. If you're gonna criticize it, criticize it for what it actually is.
Never has the church taught that giving money to clergy will result in the forgiveness of sin, nor has it called that concept an "indulgence". You know what it calls that? Greed and deception.
So did they not address it at Trent?
No, they didn't. They may have talked about indulgences but they didn't talk about "get out of hell free" cards because that's not what an indulgence is, it's just a rumor made up by protestants long afterward.
>ned, asking why they got rid of indulgences in response to the allegations if said allegations were false
>'it doesn't matter you're wrong'
from my point of view,i think what Luther was trying to do was try to reform the church's system...
"trying"
his whole life's work was exposing the church
until he got roasted...
No
His whole life was freaking out about if he is going to heaven or hell
I'm reading this article
about how Buchanan was the first gay president
false i was
@tPatrick was that the Arab president during the Revolutionary War?
No, it was the cherokee president during the seminole wars
Rumored to be gay doesnt make them gay
Major citations for the reason why Buchanan was gay:
1. He lived with his friend (for 16 years before presidency) and was sad when he was separated from his friend
2. Andrew Jackson called him gay
3. Buchanan said he could never please a woman
4. Some random girl he was engaged to broke it up and then killed herself
Plutonic relations man
I just found the article funny
Andrew Jackson was quite literally under Psychosis
made me do a "ha ha"
Haha liberals
Just another reason why Andrew Jackson is a mad lad