@Kyger how do i change the version to ESV

ESV

God is not real

Yes he is

Why do you think that @Riley

Nobody has ever demonstrated his existance

therefore I have reason to assume he exists

Do you know what the first law of thermodynamics is?

revelation 21:6

**Revelation 21:6 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<6> Then he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give water as a gift from the spring of the water of life. ```

that is the law of thermodynamics

lmao

buzz off steve

but steve

i know what the laws of thermodynamics are

rev 21:6 actually goes in with my point

okay well addie

how are they relevant to God

romans 8:28

**Romans 8:28 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<28> We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. ```

Energy cannot be destroyed or created. That means that exsitence either just always was or there is another realm of spirituality that has created the material world

ok

and

it makes no sense to think that the world around us just exists. no matter how hard people try to explain it, it is debunked by their own laws of science. We cannot simply exist in our current state, it makes no sense to say that matter and energy simply is, there has to be something there that has created it. its easy logic to say that if there is something that is perfectly designed that exists in a plain of reality where nothing can be created or destroyed then there has to be another plain, a spiritual one that God exists on

you are appealing to ignorance

that is fallacious

You created a hypothesis, that God created the unvierse

now you need to provide evidence for it

wheres your evidence that god didnt create the universe?

Evidence is the world around us that i say he has created. Our existence is by his mercy and grace

Now you are insisting that the world around us is evidence

when I say it isnt

let people believe in their own faith

faith is irrational

so is opinion

you can't say "well nobody was murdered. this body just exists here. theres no murderer in site so therefore this person with a bullet in their brain was never murdered. they just existed as a corpse"

and you can't say "I know who murdered this person, even though I have no evidence supporting my claim"

here is what you can say however

You can say that you are going to gather evidence

and come to a conclusion based on said evidence

Well God's entire purpose for creation was for you to be lead not by material or sight but by faith. Do you want your future spouse to come to you by your sexual attractiveness, or your spirit and grace?