Message from @Riefen
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Surprisingly large amount of people supporting the vandalism by another group here in town
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I know I'm super late to the conversation, but we don't have to pay for blacks to go back to Africa. We just have to pay for bullets to motivate them.
Watch "Skin & Bone" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/yhC7_g-QcMY
Daily stormers discord is a mess
What's going on
I've been informed by Vax that my original narration of Roper and the coup event that ended the National Alliance and, by association, WN 1.0 was incorrect.
Roper DID lead a splinter group that fractured NA, BUT it was a reactionary group of those loyal to Dr. Pierce's original ideals against Erich Gliebe, an ex-skinhead who was publicly not Dr. Pierce's choice as successor (while he didn't name one, he evidently named Gliebe as NOT one). Gliebe and skinheads staged a coup and snagged the compounds out from under Roper, Vax, and the other activist (as opposed to administrative) personnel.
So while Roper has acted against WN 2.0, it seems he was actually trying to save the original WN 1.0 from having its ideals corrupted and activity halted. Anything else, according to what I've heard from Vax, is revisionist history put out by those who took power after the coup.
It's old news and it's drama, but I figured I should clarify my misunderstanding of the story now that I have more info since I had previously spoken on it.
Woah
Clarify anything if it needs to be, please. @Vaximillian TN
I was linked this by Vax as an account of Roper's true history as well as his justification for his modern stance against 2.0.
@SonderSchutz TX Yea the Mike Enoch DNA reveal has stirred shit up
@Riefen His intentions may be 100% pure but it is still unproductive and serves to derail progress and freeze and polarize
I was slightly relieved to see those tbh.
Seems good for long term, although mildly distracting in short term
Yea it served in most people's minds to put the issue to rest. Unfortunately you have a small but load contingent now saying " but he could have faked them".
I agree that it seems to lead to fracturing. I'm listening to the video/lecture now to see why he has taken fracturing steps. However, since I discovered what I had said was factually wrong I wanted to set the record straight.
What Mike Enoch DNA reveal?
He posted his results on TRS
Was it ever debated that he was Jewish?
I was unaware of that accusation if so. I thought the entire source of anger was his wife's ethnicity.
A lot of ppl were saying he was. Based on appearance alone I wasn't sure myself
He ended up being what he looks like. European with a good dollup of Eastern European DNA
Im happy to know I didn't listen to a larping jew for years of my life
Right
Billy Roper and the street active part of NA was literally locked out of the WV property. The takeover by Gliebe upon Pierce' s death was a coup. Billy Roper has MANY times taken stands that have cost him a LOT of money as he has chosen principle over cash and a comfortable lifestyle. Having been in NA leadership with Roper I can tell you he has always been a staunch supporter of WN even in the face of being bloodied at demonstrations and threatened. I do not agree with Roper on every single issue but the recent attack on him in the hatchet piece by Hunter Wallace is outrageous. The fact is that Hunter Wallace, and the many names he goes by, sided with the man who testified for the federal government in the sedition trial of David Lane, the creator of the 14 words, and the rest of the Order and he also turned in members of his own organization to the federal government. I'm not posting this to create drama. But Having lived through Nd taken part in this history the record must be set straight.
I don't punch right as they say. But sometimes certain people in the right use that mantra to hide behind after they themselves do things that are uncalled for and outrageous.
Glenn Miller and Tom Martinez are the two who testified against fellow members of The Order
Glen Miller is the name of the federal informant who testified against the Order and even his own people. Hunter Wallace continued to give him a voice through forums etc and was a voice for allowing him back into the "movement".
Being a federal informant is horrible enough. People saying that people who do that should continue to have a voice in WN and then turn around and criticise others who have been staunch loyalists is unforgivable.
I agree that the nit picking and infighting is damaging. I have fought against it for YEARS. I continue to speak to people behind the scenes about it including Roper.
Some of the comments by Roper in his speech linked earlier are a bit immature and unnecessary. But as many of you saw from the NA DC March I linked a couple of nights ago going with the big tent theory CAN bite you in the end if you aren't careful who you invite into that tent.
No i mean like just cause i had the bowl in my profile pic i had my position taken and kicked same with everyone else who had the bowlcut profile pics lol
Sorry for the short novel but just wanted to address a couple of things.
I'm sure his intentions are pure. All you've written confirms my perception that in previous years our movement was a clusterfuck of mistrust, petty rivalries, infiltration and general incompetence and I thank god I didn't have that experience jading me now. The good rank and file spent years pursuing something that was destined to fail from the start. We have to prevent that this time. The question I ask myself is, does it fulfill the 14 words. That's all that matters. Let's win.
There was serious effort to bring group's together back then to work together toward a common goal. The NA and particularly Roper lead that effort. I traveled with him to klan compounds, NSM events, met with group's like Hammerskins and Keystone skins etc. We tried to get cohesion and optics improvement like button down shirts with coat and tie etc. But at that time there were too many "hobbyists" as Dr Pierce called them. Called larpers today. Yes too much fracturing and too many mini Fuehrers. But the NA was working hard and making progress in that area and the death of Pierce coupled with the Gliebe coup and federal raids ended all of that. I am happy to see the lessons learned since then especially in the area of optics. I look forward go making great strides and moved forward and look forward to the day when we look back on even the largest NA demonstration and smile and say, "Man do you remember when we could only pull 2k people?!" and then laugh about it. So forward we go. Let's do it.
Hell yea. I'm incredibly excited
Social media today makes it much easier. Back then a lot of fracturing had to do with trust and fear of informants. NA had members of law enforcement who were friendly who would background check for us and also let us know sometimes when individuals made it onto a list or were being watched. Less excuse today for the fracturing. More media means more information. MSM and government can't quite as easily pull things off.
Perfect example is Damigo punching moldilocks. Back in early 2000s Damigo would be in prison because all you would have seen was media showing him hit her.
MSM had a lock on flow of media