Message from @O.Staaf

Discord ID: 544577808400384006


2019-02-11 17:48:54 UTC  

They would have to rely upon charity

2019-02-11 17:48:57 UTC  

It's acceptable in national socialism, it's not morally wrong

2019-02-11 17:49:38 UTC  

If I had to choose, even the weak among my people would have to be discouraged

2019-02-11 17:50:02 UTC  

I would not encourage the behavior that results in single mothers by rewarding those that had a part in it

2019-02-11 17:51:10 UTC  

Even White people are capable of degeneracy, I believe in eugenics whole heartedly

2019-02-11 17:51:11 UTC  

*"It is self-evident that the total state views marriage as the foundation of the family and engages itself with all emphasis for the protection of marriage. But it demands just as empathetically the respect for the nation's life-will and hence respect for the will for child in every congenitally healthy woman. In other words: for the nation, the congenitally healthy child of an unmarried woman is infinitely more valuable than a cretin, who has resulted from a marriage “blessed” by all churches. For the nation, an unmarried mother, who in defiance of all moral and bourgeois-social inhibitions happily affirms her child, is preferable to a married woman who intentionally excludes herself from the blessing of children or is even only without blame infertile. The total state, in its population policy as well, looks at the whole while morality sees only the portion, the exterior. Moralists see in this realisation and demand of the total state the danger of a loosening of morals, of a degeneration, perhaps even of an intentional immorality. But that they in their morality, for example downright demand abortion, they do not want to admit. But instead, they like to preach “abstinence”. They thereby place themselves under the shadow of the cross, which combats life-will itself and in its radicalism demands the dying out of the “sinful” drive for life."*
- Kurt Eggers

2019-02-11 17:51:51 UTC  

*"Total state demands empathetically the respect for the nation's life-will and hence respect for the will for child in every congenitally healthy woman. In other words: for the nation, the congenitally healthy child of an unmarried woman is infinitely more valuable than a cretin, who has resulted from a marriage “blessed” by all churches. For the nation, an unmarried mother, who in defiance of all moral and bourgeois-social inhibitions happily affirms her child, is preferable to a married woman who intentionally excludes herself from the blessing of children or is even only without blame infertile."*
- Kurt Eggers

2019-02-11 17:52:59 UTC  

having children is far more important than whether the mother raises the child alone or not

2019-02-11 17:53:14 UTC  

in a national socialist state, the state would help raising the child as well

2019-02-11 17:53:27 UTC  

At this point I agree with the demographics problem

2019-02-11 17:53:41 UTC  

but in the future, I want the best to breed the most

2019-02-11 17:54:07 UTC  

Yeah, you can't have "SS" soldiers marry every woman they breed with

2019-02-11 17:54:32 UTC  

so the mother has to be single, but the child will be brought up by the SS together with the mother

2019-02-11 17:55:39 UTC  

I don't think I'm for marriage in all cases

2019-02-11 17:56:08 UTC  

but marriage still has to be seen as an institution that is sacred so that men will contribute to society

2019-02-11 17:56:15 UTC  

for their women

2019-02-11 17:56:18 UTC  

and children

2019-02-11 17:56:30 UTC  

Why?

2019-02-11 17:56:54 UTC  

I mean why wouldn't they do that without marriage

2019-02-11 17:57:43 UTC  

Marriage is an agreement so that the woman will be taken care of in her old age
It is also an agreement so that the man owns her sexuality

2019-02-11 17:57:47 UTC  

https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm

This is a good article by Goebbels about morals

2019-02-11 17:58:14 UTC  

@Bravos you need to drop your christian mindset it's not what national socialism is about

2019-02-11 17:59:05 UTC  

I understand where you're coming from, and your goals are righteous but it's not national socialist to think in christian morality

2019-02-11 17:59:16 UTC  

and I'm not sure the man "owns" the womans sexuality

2019-02-11 17:59:49 UTC  

The husband will have monopoly over sex

2019-02-11 17:59:59 UTC  

her sex

2019-02-11 18:00:08 UTC  

I will read this

2019-02-11 18:01:06 UTC  

I don't think that's national socialist, but yeah.. thanks for discussing with me

2019-02-11 18:01:18 UTC  

No problem

2019-02-11 18:01:24 UTC  

I enjoyed this discussion

2019-02-11 18:07:10 UTC  

maybe today the culture is so degenerate that cheating on your partner might happen for anyone, but if the culture were healthier and it happens shouldn't the man be to blame since he couldn't keep his wife to himself, his character must have caused it

2019-02-11 18:09:08 UTC  

Hm,

2019-02-11 18:09:37 UTC  

This rests on the question of a woman's autonomy

2019-02-11 18:10:12 UTC  

I don't really know if anyone is to blame, being unfaithful is wrong but anyway I don't think Christian values has anything to do with it

2019-02-11 18:10:30 UTC  

It makes sense people will search and play the market until they find someone who wants to purchase them

2019-02-11 18:10:41 UTC  

before christianity being faithful was still core to our culture as well as letting kids be kids

2019-02-11 18:11:25 UTC  

yeah, we shouldn't encourage sleeping around but it's not morally wrong neither if it's in order to find a life partner

2019-02-11 18:12:25 UTC  

but todays culture is degenerate, but that is due to the circumstances in finding a partner and how todays values are wrong

2019-02-11 18:14:06 UTC  

I think that men and women will naturally create a system that has to be mutually beneficial without the government rigging it in one gender's favor

2019-02-11 18:15:11 UTC  

Society at large will determine whether or not they will tolerate promiscuity

2019-02-11 18:15:37 UTC  

Once the government cannot bail out women that have been foolish