hot take: life in prison is worse than the death penalty

definitely

You ever been? Lol

Why is incest always separated from rape in these discussions? Either it was rape also which I think would be bigger evil or it was sickly consensual.

is incest morally correct?

I'll muddy the water's, what about say a third cousin? At what point is it acceptible because in some places most people are related to everyone at some point.

FYI, I still think the genetic problems is to high and would not ever consider it.

That's partially true. If they're alive, then they're taking tax payer dollars. If they're dead, they don't suffer mortally but depending on the sins they committed they'd go to Hell for eternal torment. It's all about perspective.

A fetal human is not part of a woman's body

Well that's why they're separated

Assuming Hell exists, then if someone is sentenced to life in prison, they would eventually die naturally so that would happen anyway

I suppose, but then again tax payer dollars are being wasted. But that's on a temporal level with a temporal mindset. If we actually think about it, then life in prison is good, because they have the chance in mortal life to repent of their wrongdoings instead of being sent straight to the otherside.

That is another problem with the death penalty, it's not rehabilitative. I don't disagree with the notion that people should be punished but I also think we should try to rehabilitate them.

Yeah, but then again I believe we should have a fine line that you have to cross before the death penalty. Someone who has murdered people their whole life and is finally caught does not deserve to live.

I don't think that can be justified philosophically, you can see what I said here: https://discord.com/channels/707691030748594288/801170185502851072/814595279755018321

ah.

That is a good point.

Also about the taxpayer money thing: It's not right to do the wrong thing just to save money. Although, there are other ways to address that issue. I wouldn't be against making prisoners do labor (as long as it's humane); I think that could even be rehabilitative because they'd actually be doing something useful and they would be aware of that.

And they would be repaying their debt to taxpayers

If it was consensual then the pregnancy should be held to the same standards as pro-life. Well I believe all abortion is murder, I can see thou the sad sacrifice for rape because it wasn't the mother's fault (still strongly believe adoption is a better solution then). If however the child is from consensual incest why should the child still have the option to be murdered if pro life wants to have as few exceptions as possible.

Hmmm, I see what you're saying

Also the death penalty costs more than life in prison just because of how much paperwork is required lol.

Thought I should throw that out there.

800 appeals

We ought to cut down the paperwork then

My great uncle and his daughter are 5th cousins but they didn’t know

Economically it s better, less crowded prisons too

I don’t think that abortion should be free either

Like if you are a literal catholic priest you shouldn’t have your tax dollars for someone’s abortion

I don't have a really strong opinion on the death penalty.

I’m anti death penalty

The state shouldn’t have the ability to kill someone

The death penalty should be a ballot decision. After trial and appeals.

At 5th generation I think there shouldn't be any real chance of complications as long as it hadn't been a thing being done in your family for long periods of time like the royalty used to do. I have a feeling when you start including that far separated it wouldn't be too uncommon for families that aren't close and have fragmented because of disagreements or just if your adopted and don't know your birth families.

My family came from the same region in Scotland and moved to a small fishing village with everyone marrying everyone

I think it happened often

Not 2nd or anything but a small village marrying into itself was most likely common

We also have lots of blue eyed people in the family😂

There is if you do it for enough generations. One or two times it's unlikely to cause problems but eventually any recessive traits where you can be a carrier and have no problems but over time will have a larger and larger chance of a child getting both copies. There are many recessive trait disorders that we rarely see only because of the likelihood of getting both recessive copies. Some example of these diseases are sickle cell, cystic fibrosis, Gaucher disease. However there are other traits like eye color that are recessive that can become common in family lines with inbreading.

If not biological issues, then what else would make incest immoral?

Even religion has to give a reason for their claims

If I may, also, 99% of abortions are completely unrelated to r*pe, insest, and medical reasons, and even in those cases it’s proven time after time to cause a secondary trauma that often victims find worse and more damaging than the initial act, as a child (though it is largely romanticized in fiction) is used as a channel for healing and recuperation. Not surprising the left always fights for the <1% of everything, though.