Although, to be fair, he was the brother, but still

They were not required to choose a family member which is the point

Look, if you wish to make the world into a dichotomy of "Socialism" and "Not socialism" that's fine.

I am not defending socialism, the whole idea is stupid.

I mean the state either does own all property and the means of production, it doesn't, or somewhere in between

Socialism is commonly defined as the state owning those things so that would seem to be the logical conclusion

But it hardly does you any good in debating ethics. Because ethics runs deeper than that.

"Libertarian socialism" is a unicorn

Well you seemed to say meritocracy would require feudalism

That's how this started

Stop putting words in my mouth!

No, it does not "require" fuedalism, fuedalism was the first iteration of attempting 100% meritocracy.

Just because you attempt something, doesn't mean it works!

@isoboto Is there an easy way to see memes I've already posted? Scrolling up on mobile doesn't work very well.

> We learned eventually that, as much as we *wish* things to be run from a 100% meritocratic point of view, it actually makes a whole lot of suffering. People would become indentured servants with no way of upward mobility, which would lead to resentment and revolutions.
You also said this right after mentioning monarchy/feudalism. There's putting words in someone's mouth, and then there's not communicating effectively.

Go to the search bar then type `from:Madman42#5070`, and follow it up with every channel you want to check so `in:#🤡｜political-memes`, `in:#⏳｜history-memes`, and so on.

Well, excuse me if I'm not communicating at 100% effectiveness. You just accused me of Biological essentialism and said that I thought all women deserve to be locked up in the Kitchen!

yes. use the search filter. choose the "from:" option and put your username in. it will give you a history of what you've posted

That happened because you said something that could easily be misinterpreted that way....

Excellent! Thanks for the info.

Why did your mind make that leap?

This, remember?

How did it "Sound like that"?

It's something that is commonly said by people arguing that women shouldn't be able to vote/run for office

And have I ever argued for that?

You clarified and said you didn't believe that. I have no reason to doubt that claim. I'm just saying you shouldn't get mad at someone if something you said could be misinterpreted a certain way.

Ok.

So, I stated a thing. You leapt to a conclusion, and it's my fault that your mind made that leap because somewhere in the world, scumbags exist. That's your argument?

Like, I understand that I wasn't 100% clear, but let's be honest, text chat aint the best way to communicate deep ideas either.

I'm not saying it's your fault, just that communicating more precisely would help you avoid these situations. What I am saying is what I said in this message above I am replying to.

Look, I do not divide the world's systems into "Socialist" or "Not socialist" because it's not helpful.

When people are earnestly trying to communicate ideas and philosophies, just saying "That's socialism" and walking away doesn't change their minds about anything. Not in the history of ever.

You take what they're trying to achieve and you explain to them why it will not work out the way they expect.

I agree with that, but socialists often say capitalism is feudalistic, so in certain contexts, my argument would be called for.

If you were arguing with a socialist, maybe. But are you arguing with a socialist now?

@Sith_Emperor might i suggest u put the military memes in it's own section, not in misc area

No, but it seemed relevant, so that's why I brought it up

Alright, lets say you were arguing with a monarchist, and he believed monarchy would work, do you just call it socialism and walk away?

No. I'd give my reasons for why I don't like monarchy. But if the monarchist tried to say something like "you're a capitalist so you should like monarchy" then I may bring it up.

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