ah yeah thats the ones

haha

Asalamu Alaykum

take care guys

👋 wa alaykum assalam

Have a good one

Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity, pray for us.

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

Sorry I kept dipping in and out of the talk, kinda doing homework for university. Heh

What does that mean?

Why are you praying to Mary

We ask the saints who are in heaven and are more alive than we are to pray for us. Do you ask your relatives to pray for you sometimes?

@Supertonesfan91

living relatives?

Yes

You're implying that we can sway God's decisions.

“Ask and it shall be given to you”

God gives us the gift of free will.

This is why I sometimes side with Calvinists on the sovereignty of God issue.

Yeah but my One downside to this is....I don’t think the saints in heaven can hear us/pray for us.

Think about. They are in a sinless place, they have no power to wash our sins off us and forgive us like our Lord can. And if the could see us or hear us...that would mean then can see/hear our sins... and. It doesn’t quite match up

But that’s my opinion, not intruding on your beliefs or anyone’s Mrs. Doyle.

Christ is our Mediator.

and we should ask if it is in God's will when praying and not treat him like a 'magic genie'.

Yes we have free will but God knows all

and we should pray for God's will to be done, it is a part of the Lord's Prayer.

God’s*

A apostrophe makes the difference between one who has ownership...or many

sorry

@Mistress-Kadachi but God is also in heaven, and He can see all things and watches over us. Are the saints not more alive than we are? We are the ones who are still living in the “valley of tears”. If we can ask our loved ones on earth to pray for us, than the logic would hold for those loved ones who have continued their eternal life in heaven.

We can always pray directly to God too.

But what if it is not in God's will?

Yes Gods will be done. Always.

The saints cannot sway God's decision

Then why pray at all if Gods will will always be done? God has two “wills” His positive will and His permissive will. Sometimes He is just waiting for us to come to Him so he can move in our lives.

I'm not saying don't pray, I'm sort of saying don't pray with the assumption that God will answer it the you want him to.

His positive will is when he wants something Good to happen and it happens. His permissive will is when he allows suffering to happen to bring about a greater good. We can ask for things from God. It is called “intercession”. And sometimes this intercession is just what God was waiting for us to do. It is a form of prayer where we humble ourselves before God. Didn’t Jesus himself ask God the Father for the cup to be passed from him. “Not my will but thine be done.”

No God is not our little doggie who comes when we call.

I think we agree there

This could help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VxyGP7z2rk

it's a little long though, it's probably a full sermon.