Message from @DeButcher

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2021-02-17 16:20:04 UTC  

And that yes if you believe in God you will go to heaven but you also need to help others

2021-02-17 16:20:12 UTC  

Good so it's not about salvation/ faith but about being a good neighbor. He pointed out the religious leader to show that they are bad example to follow

2021-02-17 16:21:10 UTC  

But the Samaritan was the example even though his views differed

2021-02-17 16:21:11 UTC  

You are not weigh on good/bad scale. Our goodness can never lead us to heaven.

2021-02-17 16:21:47 UTC  

No one is good

2021-02-17 16:22:01 UTC  

No is good only Jesus was

2021-02-17 16:22:04 UTC  

Only Christ

2021-02-17 16:22:32 UTC  

So if I do the most horrific thing like violent rape but believe in God I’ll still go to heaven?

2021-02-17 16:22:33 UTC  

If you say that it's based on work then you are also saying Christ death on the cross was not sufficient @Pizzacork

2021-02-17 16:22:46 UTC  

No

2021-02-17 16:22:47 UTC  

I’m saying it’s both not just faith

2021-02-17 16:23:02 UTC  

So what we do matters and not just our faith

2021-02-17 16:23:13 UTC  

Jesus paid it all.

2021-02-17 16:23:47 UTC  

No, that's abusing his grace,

2021-02-17 16:24:43 UTC  

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; aga

2021-02-17 16:24:44 UTC  

Correct but our actions can be good or evil. If I believe in God but still do horrific acts of violence I would go to hell

2021-02-17 16:25:37 UTC  

Bro if you fully accept Jesus then you will follow his commandment.

2021-02-17 16:26:05 UTC  

There are many fake "christian" that say they believe but don't any good

2021-02-17 16:26:29 UTC  

But they may believe Jesus exists and according to you that’s good enough to go to heaven

2021-02-17 16:26:35 UTC  

Follow by Christ example

2021-02-17 16:26:57 UTC  

It's not

2021-02-17 16:27:14 UTC  

Exactly you need to do good

2021-02-17 16:27:15 UTC  

They are fake christian

2021-02-17 16:27:40 UTC  

Look at it like this a criminal in jail on his last few minutes of life before death. He repents and is truly regretting his actions and ask God forgiveness and believes that Jesus chirst did die on the cross and rose from the dead will he be saved or will God not save him?

2021-02-17 16:27:45 UTC  

You need to do good but it's not part of the salvation

2021-02-17 16:28:04 UTC  

Does that make sense

2021-02-17 16:28:20 UTC  

So I can do evil and still go to heaven if I believe in God according to you

2021-02-17 16:28:50 UTC  

If you are doing evil then you are not christian

2021-02-17 16:29:19 UTC  

So if you do good are you Christian?

2021-02-17 16:29:23 UTC  

You haven't buried your sins in christ and follow your fleshy desire

2021-02-17 16:29:45 UTC  

Not all christian go to heaven

2021-02-17 16:29:50 UTC  

"christian"

2021-02-17 16:30:15 UTC  

@Pizzacork read Galatians 5: 18-26

2021-02-17 16:30:21 UTC  

Guys go back to surman on mount, the standard is really high

2021-02-17 16:30:40 UTC  

You cannot fulfill this standard by your own works

2021-02-17 16:30:51 UTC  

You need christ

2021-02-17 16:32:02 UTC  

Just aheads up I'm experiencing power outage so I'm going talk to y'all later

2021-02-17 16:33:37 UTC  

According to that scripture you must do good to go to heaven, you cannot do evil or what it lists

2021-02-17 16:34:52 UTC  

The thing about good deeds and bad deeds, sometimes people think you weigh one against the other and if you have enough good deeds you are good, i like to think of it as a cup, for every good deed you get one drop of water, for every bad deed you get a drop of posion, at the end you need to drink the cup, i know i wouldnt want to drink mine

2021-02-17 16:36:13 UTC  

I don’t think anyone is good so obviously it can’t outweigh it, but it is still necessary to do good or you won’t go to heaven

2021-02-17 16:41:32 UTC  

Romans 10:8-9 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.