I can be a very sentimental person and that's why I find it difficult to get over my emotions in favor of using logic

It's all for the sake of persuasion

My dad taught me that he'd rather persuade than assert his position

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink

spot on! sage

These people will only listen if they are open to changing, which they are not

no @❄֍Winter Soul֍❄ seems to be changing for the good

I wouldn't say that's always accurate, since progressive lefties ended up that way somehow, and you can always shift them given the right circumstances

he is a nice man

Judging by how she isn't cracking the madhouse, I disagree

The more moderates or semi moderate liberals you can persuade to your side or at least make them critically think and flesh out their ideas, the better. But they know very well that if there is a "true believer" or someone unwilling to listen that they are not worth their time and energy

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😳 you caught me

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Sure

moderate lefties are getting pretty rare as of late, sadly

Anyways, mom just came back, so bye

have you taken a look at the trending page of Reddit?

or even Twitter for that sake

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understandable lol

both Twitter and Reddit are hellholes

Yes, but there are multiple styles available to use. I point out the fault with the current "line," so to speak. It sets up a sales pitch of my view. I never hesitate to answer a question, always a full answer from me

Interesting things to be found in here.

What I'm currently learning is how to critically think about my own positions. My father is also trying to teach me what he calls "the art of asking questions"
The whole purpose of it is basically having socratic dialogue. Why take a position if you do not understand the very fundamentals of why you hold that position? I found out that I'm neutral on many positions simply because I simply don't know enough about them and I don't want to become an emotional right wing npc

Everyone knows the socratic method is one of the best methods of persuasion, the trick is to be patient enough to use it. That's difficult.

Bingo, that's what my dad is trying to teach me

It's *hard,* though.

Which part, the patient part or the persuasion part?

assuming you can get someone who's willing to listen and isn't going to intentionally bias statistics, you can usually bring stats up to prove a point against a leftie when it concerns stuff like crime and economics

Stats can be used to fit into any position/narrative you want it to

typically they'll narrow bias statistics like crime and such to focus on proving their specific point rather than viewing the whole spectrum, so that's often useless

Well, first off, there's the problem of what they want out of the conversation. Are they in the conversation to learn things, or are they there as a type of social dominance game where they can dunk on people?

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Yeah, always understand what you support. You learn a lot from probing "why" through yourself or others. For me I am trying to connect the dots, from principle to ethic

If someone is there to dunk, you need to point out exactly what they're doing in such a clear way that they either have to start acting rationally or they simply leave the conversation.

The thing is, you can't assert your position. Prioritize clarity over assertion. Otherwise they'll only dig their heels in and close themselves off to you

If I'm in a docile mood, I'll elicit explanations from others

Being stern while also acting mature tends to win the social dominance game, and makes observers wish to listen to you.

The objective is to get them to listen. Don't waste time on people who are unwilling to listen. Find people who have some curiosity or at least don't appear to be 100% on board with the woke mob