Message from @Yol_3_

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2021-02-13 05:18:48 UTC  

its a cringeworthy lenin quote about fascism

2021-02-13 05:31:07 UTC  

Lenin never said that

2021-02-13 05:31:52 UTC  

It comes from the fourth international IIRC

2021-02-13 11:17:39 UTC  

^^^

2021-02-13 11:18:03 UTC  

It came from the comintern yeah

2021-02-13 11:18:41 UTC  

During lenin’s time fascism was pretty hip and new and Lenin’s ONLY comment about fascism was it was just Hegelian babbling

2021-02-13 12:25:46 UTC  

Obv untrue

2021-02-13 13:06:08 UTC  

it's a fairly unanimous attitude about fascism from communists at the time

2021-02-13 13:06:11 UTC  

... and since then

2021-02-13 14:59:31 UTC  

some shit about how fascism is typically supported by capitalists when things get bad enough

2021-02-13 15:00:08 UTC  

not that fascism isnt its own ideology etc, just that its been supported by capitalists historically

2021-02-13 15:34:56 UTC  

And?

2021-02-13 19:40:34 UTC  

communism was supported by millionaires as well

2021-02-14 02:10:59 UTC  

The pot calling the kettle black!

2021-02-14 03:11:33 UTC  

Thalmann was supported by the unemployed and Hitler was supported by the working poor.
Majority of the nsdap wealth came from membership charges and book sales.

2021-02-14 05:04:56 UTC  

Would really like to see a breakdown of NSDAP income streams

2021-02-14 05:05:14 UTC  

And if possible other Weimar parties like the KPD etc

2021-02-14 05:05:27 UTC  
2021-02-14 05:07:39 UTC  

I would

2021-02-14 05:13:35 UTC  

going to be honest didn't read this book but the source is "German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler" by Henry Turner. Basically after looking at receipts it came down to small buisness owners, typical members, and the sales of mein kampf.

2021-02-14 05:23:50 UTC  

Who Voted for Hitler? by Richard F. Hamilton is about voting patterns. basically rural voted hitler. Employed yet poor voted hitler. Protestants voted hitler. All economic strata had a segment voting hitler from junkers to unemployed. Also veterans voted hitler

2021-02-14 05:24:10 UTC  

The Nazi movement crossed class barriers

2021-02-14 05:24:23 UTC  

true

2021-02-14 05:24:51 UTC  

why won't socialists stfu about meetings with industrialists

2021-02-14 05:25:20 UTC  

cherrypicking to support their narrative

2021-02-14 05:25:27 UTC  

junkers/aristocrats perfered conservative authoritarians and unemployed liked kpd more

2021-02-14 05:26:46 UTC  

harzburg front helped the nazis as well with the aristocrat support

2021-02-14 05:26:51 UTC  

this book also disproves frankfurt school theories like petite borgeoise got hitler in power.

2021-02-14 05:27:54 UTC  

socialists will do the highest level of mental gymnastics to deny this

2021-02-14 05:28:18 UTC  

Most industrialists support hitler because of idealogical reasons not economic. like leftists will being up henry ford even though he lost money through his support of hitler. He just hated jews

2021-02-14 05:28:53 UTC  

Rich nationalists would perfer to save there country than to get more money

2021-02-14 07:42:55 UTC  

a lot of leftists can't conceive of history by any other lens but the most vulgar economic determinism

2021-02-14 09:39:58 UTC  

Moscow industrialists gave money to Bolsheviks

2021-02-14 11:26:14 UTC  

I think Hitler even made an argument that when one is rich one can afford to care about his country while the poor only care about daily bread

2021-02-14 11:26:32 UTC  

Still he didn't go far enough with his socialist policies

2021-02-14 12:53:11 UTC  

So? It's obv stuff after WWII

2021-02-14 12:53:21 UTC  

His primary goal was to win first

2021-02-14 12:55:54 UTC  

He went good enough.

2021-02-14 13:51:32 UTC  

Smh (shaking my head) when the war economy isn't socialist

2021-02-14 14:22:59 UTC  

Nazbols when Hitler doesn’t seize the entire economy leading to years of political and economic instability and rather chooses Keynesian policies like the Mefo bills inorder to mobilize the economy

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