Would you call hobbes utopian? The idea of a civil state would be so

Cus end goals dont really matter

@Milorad speak using your phone, your mic is horrible

^^^^

the fuck u talking about

Milorad is gonna debate Syrian

about wha

If Marx is ontologically liberal

On marxism being ontologically liberal

ontologically???

Ya

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the fuck does that even meani in that context

Dunno what that means

Me neither

I study sociology not fagosophy

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you mean their history theory?

I don't have a mic I use the same earbuds on both, I'm just getting on my PC so I can Google shit

@Milorad ?

Dialectical materialism being liberal because its a linear view of history

And universalist

Don't use earbuds at all

thats kind of true but wouldnt the debate be better "is a linear view of history correct"

christianity also has a linear view

its not just lbieralism

Christianity=liberalism

Dialectal materialism isnt fundamental to marxism and also dialects arent lenient

So you’re already falling apart bro

We will see

This

I can bet money on Milorad

Western Christianity at least

so borng

xerxes constituion = liberalism

bronze age writings = liberlaism

Ya

No

They're absolutist

Completely different

Bronze age legal systems=liberalization