your meaningful means fantasy world

my meaningful means whether my gas prices skyrocket

different worlds bro

I mean yeah

electoral politics can and does push the overton window to the right

That's about as good a reason to vote as you can get

and that's good in my book 😄

I don't see it pushing the overton Window to the left

Ever.

Maybe it matters more when you're a reactionary

it can if you get smart people in

But it's very inconsequential to my politics and organizing

Literally what are they going to do?

look at south america and you can see how electoral politics pushed a whole continent light red

This isn't South America

Voting’s important even in a rigged system.

It’s a way to send a message.

so electoralism can work but not in America because.......?

It's a better use of time outside of America

why

It also gives us important information about political identification across different parts of the country.

Theyre not the seat of empire, they're one of our imperial satellites and more political diversity electorally is tolerated

But if you start to push back against neoliberalism in a meaningful way they get rid of you

Like Idi Amin

Or Thomas Sankara

I guess they weren't elected, South American DemSocs are a better example

you should argue this point in another way

You can actually implement some life-changing reforms and paradigm shifts on the fringes of empire, but even then you're limited by the way you achieved legitimate power and it can and will be used against you

don't you agree that if material conditions deteriorate that leftist policies can be implemented easier

I agree that black nationalism in the US will literally never happen

but don't you care about universal healthcare

free maternity leave etc

it's easy to push the overturn window left on basic social democratic policies and it's happening in real time

I wish marcus garvey got his life task done

he was a great man

honestly him and Malcolm X were good leaders

geopolitics obviously affects what's politically possible as well

I don't want universal healthcare and maternity leave in this context

it's open field in the next couple decades to make America as social democratics as most european countries

A capitalism providing those things is worse than the type we have now to me