Message from @Erlik ᚯ

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2021-02-24 18:56:39 UTC  

@Whoever is ready, I’m ready

2021-02-24 18:57:40 UTC  

It would take too long if we wanted to cite the Marxist passages directed against Proudhon,
Lassalle, Rodbertus and many others, denouncing any attempt to reconcile commodity
production with the socialist emancipation of the proletariat.

For Lenin, this is the cornerstone of Marxism. It would be quite difficult to reconcile it with
Stalin's current thesis: “Why then, one asks, cannot commodity production similarly serve our
socialist society for a certain period” or “Commodity production leads to capitalism only if
there is private owner-ship of the means of production, if labour power appears in the market
as a commodity which can be bought by the capitalist and exploited in the process of
production, and if, consequently, the system of exploitation of wageworkers by capitalists
exists in the country.” This hypothesis is, of course, absurd; in the Marxist analysis, any
existence of a mass of commodities suggests that reserve-less proletarians had to sell their
labour-power. If in the past there was commodity production limited to a few branches, it was
not because the labour-power was sold "voluntarily" as it is today, but rather because it was
squeezed by force of arms from enslaved prisoners or serfs in personal dependency.

Do we have to quote the first two lines of "Capital" again? “The wealth of those societies in
which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as ‘an immense accumulation
of commodities’”.

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2021-02-24 18:58:24 UTC  

@NopeThanks give me a sec

2021-02-24 18:58:31 UTC  

Alright take your time

2021-02-24 18:59:18 UTC  

what's the debate topic

2021-02-24 18:59:26 UTC  

Dunno

2021-02-24 18:59:31 UTC  

oops i misread the chatlogs

2021-02-24 18:59:33 UTC  

But did I ever need one

2021-02-24 18:59:34 UTC  
2021-02-24 18:59:57 UTC  

no because you mostly have to spend the entire debate discussing your worldview with moralizers

2021-02-24 19:00:22 UTC  

Well are you communist, socialist, or capitalist

2021-02-24 19:00:31 UTC  

We are chads

2021-02-24 19:00:39 UTC  

Well fascists

2021-02-24 19:00:43 UTC  

Socialism with Italian characteristics

2021-02-24 19:00:55 UTC  

Faschads

2021-02-24 19:00:58 UTC  

Ya

2021-02-24 19:01:09 UTC  

I mean not me but good for you

2021-02-24 19:01:27 UTC  

when @NopeThanks will debate Woland?

2021-02-24 19:01:33 UTC  

Five mins

2021-02-24 19:01:50 UTC  

I’ll only have like 4 mins to debate then

2021-02-24 19:02:02 UTC  

Lol then we aren't doing it

2021-02-24 19:02:07 UTC  

Ok lol

2021-02-24 19:02:16 UTC  

Next time show up when you are more available

2021-02-24 19:02:39 UTC  

Yeah idk I jumped on when I had 20 minutes of free time in all

2021-02-24 19:02:46 UTC  

Idk why*

2021-02-24 19:02:56 UTC  

Cuz I already don't like you

2021-02-24 19:03:18 UTC  

all communists are evil

2021-02-24 19:24:10 UTC  

This server reeks gay energy

2021-02-24 19:24:49 UTC  

woland plundering the supply of libtards as all ways

2021-02-24 19:39:32 UTC  

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2021-02-24 20:01:42 UTC  

gay

2021-02-24 20:02:45 UTC  

to some point right

2021-02-24 20:04:39 UTC  

spreading **destabilization

2021-02-24 20:14:09 UTC  

why is Victorian here

2021-02-24 20:14:19 UTC  

its true tho

2021-02-24 20:14:40 UTC  

spreading liberalism is better for america than having an autocrat

2021-02-24 20:28:18 UTC  

https://youtu.be/AITRzvm0Xtg I know him becoming a tranny is old news but goddamn this is ultra narcissism

2021-02-24 20:29:29 UTC  

The totally oppressed and not a product of capitalism expanding itself to sell identities identity is being paraded and theatrized more than any ''cult of personality'' the unwholesome meanies in history had to shame

2021-02-24 20:30:22 UTC  

how would you suppose that spreading "freedom" is in our own self interest

2021-02-24 20:30:56 UTC  

the governments we install aren't always necessarily cooperative even if we "democratize" them properly

2021-02-24 20:31:06 UTC  

iraqi gov doesn't like us i think