Message from @Erlik ᚯ
Discord ID: 814210550179430411
@Whoever is ready, I’m ready
It would take too long if we wanted to cite the Marxist passages directed against Proudhon,
Lassalle, Rodbertus and many others, denouncing any attempt to reconcile commodity
production with the socialist emancipation of the proletariat.
For Lenin, this is the cornerstone of Marxism. It would be quite difficult to reconcile it with
Stalin's current thesis: “Why then, one asks, cannot commodity production similarly serve our
socialist society for a certain period” or “Commodity production leads to capitalism only if
there is private owner-ship of the means of production, if labour power appears in the market
as a commodity which can be bought by the capitalist and exploited in the process of
production, and if, consequently, the system of exploitation of wageworkers by capitalists
exists in the country.” This hypothesis is, of course, absurd; in the Marxist analysis, any
existence of a mass of commodities suggests that reserve-less proletarians had to sell their
labour-power. If in the past there was commodity production limited to a few branches, it was
not because the labour-power was sold "voluntarily" as it is today, but rather because it was
squeezed by force of arms from enslaved prisoners or serfs in personal dependency.
Do we have to quote the first two lines of "Capital" again? “The wealth of those societies in
which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as ‘an immense accumulation
of commodities’”.
@NopeThanks give me a sec
Alright take your time
what's the debate topic
Dunno
oops i misread the chatlogs
But did I ever need one
no because you mostly have to spend the entire debate discussing your worldview with moralizers
Well are you communist, socialist, or capitalist
We are chads
Well fascists
Socialism with Italian characteristics
Faschads
Ya
I mean not me but good for you
when @NopeThanks will debate Woland?
Five mins
I’ll only have like 4 mins to debate then
Ok lol
Next time show up when you are more available
Yeah idk I jumped on when I had 20 minutes of free time in all
Idk why*
Cuz I already don't like you
all communists are evil
This server reeks gay energy
woland plundering the supply of libtards as all ways
gay
to some point right
spreading **destabilization
why is Victorian here
its true tho
spreading liberalism is better for america than having an autocrat
https://youtu.be/AITRzvm0Xtg I know him becoming a tranny is old news but goddamn this is ultra narcissism
The totally oppressed and not a product of capitalism expanding itself to sell identities identity is being paraded and theatrized more than any ''cult of personality'' the unwholesome meanies in history had to shame
how would you suppose that spreading "freedom" is in our own self interest
the governments we install aren't always necessarily cooperative even if we "democratize" them properly
iraqi gov doesn't like us i think