Then it becomes very difficult.

Yes, most of the time

I dont want to play a word game

i think it is important for people to be clear, otherwise others will take it the wrong way

Yes, but I was not unclear, I just used coloquial language

Anyways, this shouldnt be the topic

i am confident that modern day christians who are not autistic are perfectly normal and uncorrupted human beings with flaws and good parts just like everyone else.

What do you think about the stat that shows that there are more atheists in science than theists?

This is something I have spent a great deal of time on, I've come to the conclusion that the supernatural elements of religion are really the embodiment of ideals, and can be recognized as such. The traditions and ethic that comes from christianity in particular are undeniably useful to a society, and there's nothing wrong with using the scientific method to identify that which makes society prosper, and adopting them. Regardless of the superstitions and nonsense at the core.

@P14 those are true, what do you think the meaning for that is?

The fact is, that christianity seems to work.

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For the vast majority of people at least. And it works for those who don't want to expend the effort that I have trying to understand it all.

I would say that people who study science come to the conclusion that there is no god. I would also say, that atheists are more likely to become scientists.

It's because an empirical outlook naturally leads to athiesm.

Due to the lack of evidence for god.

Would you prefer a pagan, atheist, or christian society? Or a mixture of any of the three?

Christian, hands down.

@P14 how would a climatologist find proof that god doesn't exist from their work?

It's not clear at this point that an athiest society would be stable for any significant period of time.

Well, I would quote Rin on that one:
"It's because an empirical outlook naturally leads to athiesm.
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What christianity does that makes it so effective, is that it tempers human's natural tendency towards tribalism.

I would say a combintion of paganism and atheism is the best.
That way you stay with the natural and psychological truth.

i think it works the same way that men and women find different jobs more appealing then others, atheists and christians are interested in different things as well. i would assume that most scientists were atheist BEFORE going into their respective fields.

Athiesm doesn't do that by it's nature.

Does what?

OH

But why would you really temper your tendency towards tribalism?

Actually atheists are the least tribal

That's not how it works though, those who are empirical and evidence based are that way usually llong before college. That mindset lends itself to both athiesm and scientific careers.

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VC?

Yeah

You aren'ty understanding what I'm saying, Athiests are human, and therefore are just as tribal as everyone else.

that would be better

Just look at how easily the athiesm movement was destroyed by tribal division when the SJWs infiltrated it. The notion that they are somehow less tribal by nature is absurd.

Gotta pick up kids from school, back in a bit.

have to make a phone call back in 2 minutes.

kk

only reason i can think of for atheists being the least tribal is that most are left-leaning

and therefore all about that equality