what do you think the ideal shtf gun is?

depends on the manner of shtf, like nork nukes or what

I vote shotgun

remington 870

if i have to go live in the woods again forever, probably a tried and true AK

less finnicky in dirty environs

anything else, my ar

maybe an sks or nugget

i bought a cute little carbine a while back that takes my pistol mags, kel-tec sub2000, i like it as a backpack gun, it folds up

i wouldnt want to hunt with it, for numerous reasons, but its sweet for larping at the range

it could be a good urban minority deterrent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I979gQaLvn4

this is?

yeah thats it

im watchig that right now haha

"let's see if we can wake up mr. trayvon heh heh heh"

(it wont shoot at a 90 degree angle ofc)

its super light and takes my glock mags, of which i have basically an infinite number

Don't-even-own-a-gun 2 cents here:
I would get an AK- variant. Preferably Finnish or Israeli (yeah I know) because that's the gun I have been trained with in the army (7.62x39). If I were to go for a bigger gun I'd chose a british .303 though. The rapid shooting of the Enfield is pretty amazing in my opinion, unfortunately there's almost no surpluss ammo left.

you can literally buy an american made, billet milled receiver akm made by century for under a grand

there arent any 'cheap ak vars' anymore, you'll pay 5-600 for a wasr 10 or some bulg variant

the comedy option is to buy blanks, a press, and the dies to make your own stamped receivers, telling yourself that in the long run you'll save money cause you want to make like 10 aks

then you realize how shit hard it is to make a gun that works in your garage and you end up with a $2000 ak that shoots like crap

theres zero reason for any person located in the USA and over tha age of 18 to not go to your local dicks/cabelas and buy a M&P Sport II today, right now

literally baby's first battle rifle

I heard Century AKs are trash, at least that seems to be the consenus on /k/

its an old meme

when they first started importing/rebuilding polish/bulg aks for the us market, they had serious build quality issues

that said i super dont recommend buying an old used one lol

granted, of the ancient old ones out there, the chi-com mak90s are the cream of the crop

https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/whats-clicker-teaching-new-technology

What are your thoughts on the M14, mini 14 and mini 30?

the mini 14 is a classic

the m14 is overwrought and a little scary to build yourself

like, the m1a's that springfield has been putting out recently are awesome

but i dont want that to be the gun i have to service alone if the shtf

never handled a mini 30

if i want to throw 308 far, id just as soon set up a ar pattern in 308 with a heavy barrel

granted thats a super edge case scenario where you're engaging armor at range

thats one of the firearms rabbit holes, stopping power/range