and lime plaster and lath is more labor intensive, but it produces beautiful, durable results

any surface finish wont matter if its not airsealed etc. plaster can turn to shit really fast

yeah I don't want to live in a bland box that's insulated with fiberglass batting

but that's just my own personal taste

well do you live in one now

haha touche

yes I do

im curious because where does this distaste come from

I don't really like it though

im not mad you dont see it the way i do

i really dont care there are more of you on the board than of me

oh I'm not mad either... it doesn't have to be a flame war

I think modern building is great.. I'm glad there are people out there who are pushing the technological boundaries to provide effective, affordable housing for most people

but when I dream big, I don't reach for what's ordinary

maximizing profits....but i dont think that we should hold the house as an ideal where it should be more of creating a home no matter the circumstances

I like the idea of learning the ancient methods that worked for centuries, that were achievable with very primitive technology, and then applying modern building science knowledge to those older methods

do you follow the work of Joe Lstiburek?

i dont want to get preachy but the housing market and the destruction of the family has always been done for ones own ideal and benefit not that of the coming generations....i have no idea who joe is can i get a quick rundown

yeah he's a civil engineer and building scientist who specializes in ventilation, mositure control, and air quality

and I agree 100% dude

the focus should be on family and home making

that's way more important than the way you put your sticks together

I'm 30 and I already have 4 kids

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld8pzIu45F8

another good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkfAcWpOYAA

yeah i mean we should be kicking our kids out at like 18 or whatever but not into a cold uncaring world but into a home that they made and i just see that as basic but nice and simple ...most cannot create a timber frame or log and if they do id be worried that they made it majorly wrong and it wuold fail prematurely...other than that i cant really help if you need tips on building practices im here

I might just go with something more conventional in the end

but I do plan on attending workshops and practicing before I build my home

I'd rather have a smaller home that I build correctly with my own hands than a larger home built conventionally. If I'm going to build it conventionally I'd rather hire people out to do it

they have more experience and could probably do a better job

im not going to say either way you try its going to be insanely difficult...and experience is most useful in cutting corners

I've always been naturally good with my hands. I used to be an artist once upon a time. I've done a fair bit of wood working as well, and scultping. I have the natural aptitude.... it's just software development makes more money lol

so that's what I'm doing these days

but we're saving money away to buy land and build a house on it... even if it's just a modest home.... we're not jews. We're content with simplicity

haha i live near a bunch of jews...literally the safest realty around they are smart with where they live...but theyll anally rape anyone else...ok so building a house wouldnt you love to be able to no bs grab a nail gun and shoot in a 3 inch nail in .5 seconds out of all the other bullshit that could happen wouldnt you want an easy system to begin with...i literally want to know why people like timber frames cuz fuck me id build anything i just dont see the reason i could probably just operate a crane and build a house...im not against it

I honestly think it's the aesthetic appeal and the independence of it

once you know your war around the tools, you can build it from the trees on your property

the aesthetics and the romance of it

and the purity of it

there's something heroic about it