Message from @MKUltra
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what
Something from VC I said I would post earlier.
oh ok
I know what a shotgun argument is.
That isn't what we were doing or what you had described.
No, they aren't exactly the same.
Just a general overload of really intricate and complicated arguments.
That's why I put all three there.
Shotgun argument is listed as a synonym of Gish Gollup
I see.
Yeah, that's not really accurate.
Okay, perhaps they are somewhat loosely related.
The last one is probably the most applicable, but I've always considered the Gish Gallop a sort of overarching term for overload tactics. According to the current definitions though, it includes lying, which isn't always necessarily true in my opinion.
>lest they have to admit their ignorance and lack of understanding.
... Well, maybe if idiots weren't making claims then they wouldn't have to be shat on by people who have a better understanding of the concept.
This applies only when the your being coerced into something by concepts over your head. In this case, we were breaking down the terrible arguments that you yourselves did not even understand.
If you are looking to persuade anyone of anything, calling them idiots isn't going to get you very far. And it's not so much about a lack of understanding it's a bout making arguments concise enough to digest and rebut without getting overly complicated and obscure. As I said, the vast majority of people you meet will have zero experience with metaphysics and philosophy of this depth. The object of discourse is understanding, needlessly complicating things is antagonistic to that goal.
I don't have the aim of persuading you.
Why are you so triggered? No one has resorted to calling you names or being aggressive towards you. Are you trying to compensate for something?
Kek
I'm curious, do you have a girlfriend?
I am acting as I was in the chat
You are reading it with a diferent tone because you can't hear my voice.
And because you can try to spin this argument before the spectation of the server.
If you called me an idiot or stupid in chat, I must have missed it. I assure you I would have responded.
So is that a no? No girlfriend?
Maybe you were tending to the kids everytime we said so.
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That hook doesn't even have bait my friend
No bait, genuine interest.
I never called you an idiot directly.
Indirectly.
You could have done well to avoid it.
>Yeah, I said that there was no bait.
My only goal is to understand someone when I speak to them, If you interpret that as idiocy because they don't agree with you in the end, I'm not sure I can help that.
So girlfriend or no?
>In the end
In the beginning
All throughout.