Message from @MKUltra

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2017-09-28 23:16:26 UTC  

Shotgun argument is listed as a synonym of Gish Gollup

2017-09-28 23:16:32 UTC  

I see.

2017-09-28 23:16:50 UTC  

Yeah, that's not really accurate.

2017-09-28 23:16:50 UTC  

Okay, perhaps they are somewhat loosely related.

2017-09-28 23:26:03 UTC  

The last one is probably the most applicable, but I've always considered the Gish Gallop a sort of overarching term for overload tactics. According to the current definitions though, it includes lying, which isn't always necessarily true in my opinion.

2017-09-28 23:32:11 UTC  

>lest they have to admit their ignorance and lack of understanding.
... Well, maybe if idiots weren't making claims then they wouldn't have to be shat on by people who have a better understanding of the concept.

2017-09-28 23:34:35 UTC  

This applies only when the your being coerced into something by concepts over your head. In this case, we were breaking down the terrible arguments that you yourselves did not even understand.

2017-09-28 23:40:17 UTC  

If you are looking to persuade anyone of anything, calling them idiots isn't going to get you very far. And it's not so much about a lack of understanding it's a bout making arguments concise enough to digest and rebut without getting overly complicated and obscure. As I said, the vast majority of people you meet will have zero experience with metaphysics and philosophy of this depth. The object of discourse is understanding, needlessly complicating things is antagonistic to that goal.

2017-09-28 23:40:46 UTC  

I don't have the aim of persuading you.

2017-09-28 23:43:26 UTC  

I have the aim of preventing you from acting stupid in the future

2017-09-28 23:47:24 UTC  

Why are you so triggered? No one has resorted to calling you names or being aggressive towards you. Are you trying to compensate for something?

2017-09-28 23:48:02 UTC  

Kek

2017-09-28 23:48:03 UTC  

I'm curious, do you have a girlfriend?

2017-09-28 23:48:15 UTC  

I am acting as I was in the chat

2017-09-28 23:48:33 UTC  

You are reading it with a diferent tone because you can't hear my voice.

2017-09-28 23:48:49 UTC  

And because you can try to spin this argument before the spectation of the server.

2017-09-28 23:49:06 UTC  

If you called me an idiot or stupid in chat, I must have missed it. I assure you I would have responded.

2017-09-28 23:49:33 UTC  

So is that a no? No girlfriend?

2017-09-28 23:49:45 UTC  

Maybe you were tending to the kids everytime we said so.

2017-09-28 23:49:55 UTC  

>>>

2017-09-28 23:50:15 UTC  

That hook doesn't even have bait my friend

2017-09-28 23:50:31 UTC  

No bait, genuine interest.

2017-09-28 23:50:33 UTC  

I never called you an idiot directly.

2017-09-28 23:50:40 UTC  

Indirectly.

2017-09-28 23:50:51 UTC  

You could have done well to avoid it.

2017-09-28 23:51:05 UTC  

>Yeah, I said that there was no bait.

2017-09-28 23:52:46 UTC  

My only goal is to understand someone when I speak to them, If you interpret that as idiocy because they don't agree with you in the end, I'm not sure I can help that.

2017-09-28 23:52:56 UTC  

So girlfriend or no?

2017-09-28 23:53:08 UTC  

>In the end
In the beginning

2017-09-28 23:53:17 UTC  

All throughout.

2017-09-28 23:53:26 UTC  

But it WAS interesting.

2017-09-28 23:53:30 UTC  

It was.

2017-09-28 23:53:49 UTC  

And I wouldn't call you an idiot because we have different point of views.

2017-09-28 23:54:12 UTC  

*points of view

2017-09-28 23:54:19 UTC  

My insult applies to the beginning. Here again you insist on the title of idiot. I'll give it to you if you want.

2017-09-28 23:54:27 UTC  

To the statements specifically really.

2017-09-28 23:54:35 UTC  

Well, you did say "you".

2017-09-28 23:55:10 UTC  

The great irony here is that we agree on 90% of everything and 100% on the points that matter.

2017-09-28 23:55:20 UTC  

"persuading you"

2017-09-28 23:55:39 UTC  

Yeah, we do.

2017-09-28 23:56:28 UTC  

I like you man, you just need to dull those sharp edges a bit. It will be too much for most people.