Message from @obrallaghan
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the west is "true capitalism" with socialist systems leaching on top of it
I don't think you realise just how much was changed from the original idea of capitalism until it could actually sensibly work <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
excluding everything that you call socialist even <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
you'd have to explain to me how my company paying me a nice wage for my productivity so that they can make even more money themselves isn't "true capitalism"
bruh that's over 9000 on the simplification scale
no it isn't
the company started from nothing
I know the owners
have you even read ricardo, jean jacques rousseau or kaynes? <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
and in what sense is it not true capitalism then?
if you're unable to explain it I'd have to wager you don't really understand what you're saying
because 'laissez-faire' as it's referred to which is also a term that changed over the years is different from American capitalism or even just libertarian capitalism
who said anything about laisez fair?
the original idea of capitalism was basically without rules, regulations weren'T a thing, consumer protection was an idea that hadn't even been invented yet
how is someone taking their own money, and making a profit generating service not true capitalism
that's capitalism
I'm talking about the 'true' original capitilism
I've only ever worked for small to medium companies where I knew the owner, who started the company from nothing
the fucking word capitilism is giving me a spelling disorder
bruh
that's a small fraction of it
tiny fraction
of the bigger picture
it doesn't make it not capitalism
cool that you worked for small to medium companies that came from nothing
that's like 1% of either capitalism
it's called free enterprise
I never said it wasn't capitalism <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
then I don't know how you see that as not genuine
because under genuine capitalism those companies would have had no rules to abide to and could potentially have been fucked out of the market through industrial espionage or other means
if this case whatever true might mean seems trivial to the reality that people can start their own productive profit generating systems on their own free will
that's why we had great people like ricardo draft the first ideas of a proper free market
outlining the role of the state as being as little as possible but at minimum the protection of the consumer's rights
which was a completely foreign concept to the previous capitalists
to quote ricardo himself: "Beware of capitalists"
I've never worked for a company that received government subsidies or loans, only loans from people looking to make a profit on said loans
because free market wasn't the same as capitalism back then
who the fuck mentioned subsidies or loans <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
I don't know how you could know someone who made a million dollar company out of nothing and say "that's not TRUE capitalism"