Message from @Ruggwain
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the fucking word capitilism is giving me a spelling disorder
true capitalism is a live and well
bruh
that's a small fraction of it
tiny fraction
of the bigger picture
it doesn't make it not capitalism
cool that you worked for small to medium companies that came from nothing
that's like 1% of either capitalism
it's called free enterprise
I never said it wasn't capitalism <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
then I don't know how you see that as not genuine
because under genuine capitalism those companies would have had no rules to abide to and could potentially have been fucked out of the market through industrial espionage or other means
if this case whatever true might mean seems trivial to the reality that people can start their own productive profit generating systems on their own free will
that's why we had great people like ricardo draft the first ideas of a proper free market
outlining the role of the state as being as little as possible but at minimum the protection of the consumer's rights
which was a completely foreign concept to the previous capitalists
to quote ricardo himself: "Beware of capitalists"
I've never worked for a company that received government subsidies or loans, only loans from people looking to make a profit on said loans
because free market wasn't the same as capitalism back then
I don't know how you could know someone who made a million dollar company out of nothing and say "that's not TRUE capitalism"
whatever the true part means must be utterly trivial and pedantic
true = original
the stuff ricardo and other free-marketeers warned about when they said that capitalism is to be feared and that a free-market is much better
you are getting way too hung up on just the core principles of capitalism which noone ever attacked
what I just explained is a free market, the fact that the company had to abide by certain laws or regulations doesn't seem to make the capital generation any less "true"
the point was whether capitalism would starve people
the answer is a resounding yes, only that we had the time to adapt it in ways that would be much better to the people below it
in what sense would it starve people?
there is no reason why we should introduce communism, a system not as developed that would inevitably lead to poverty and famines in the hope that we would one day refine it as much as capitalism
you're saying that no one would come up with the idea of providing high calorie meals at very low costs in a "true capitalist" system?
because I would imagine the opposite
because that's literally what it did for most of its early existence
the only reason why people managed to survive is because they created food themselves
if you're talking about prior to the industrial revolution then I hardly see how that's relevant
yes I am
because that is the time it took for capitalism to develop
and the whole point is
we shouldn't introduce an unrefined communist system
if we already have a capitalist one