Message from @Grodd

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2019-04-24 00:39:05 UTC  

This also contributes to human eusociality. There is no way for a hunter to eat an elk or a bison before it goes bad. Even with his extended family. But if you store the meat in the stomachs of other families who might return the favor it does not go bad and it contributes to your survival.

2019-04-24 00:42:12 UTC  

And yeah I am going back a few millennia here. Even the Sentinel Island tribe who broke off, what? a few thousand years ago? Still have non-recurve bows. A much higher tech than most of human history.

2019-04-24 00:42:37 UTC  

you don't need bows though even

2019-04-24 00:43:02 UTC  

lot of people had spear throwers, abos used curved smoothed knotted throwing clubs

2019-04-24 00:44:24 UTC  

I was using Sentinel as a yardstick. Our species is something like 200K years old. So looking at the first 180K years or so it's flint tipped spears of salvaged wood.

2019-04-24 00:46:16 UTC  

I mean. I spent the last few years studying this so time perspective is important. Civilization is a new thing like the last few thousand years. An eyeblink in evolutionary time.

2019-04-24 00:47:40 UTC  

Well projectile weapons make exhaustion hunting even easier. Wound an animal badly it will exhaust far sooner.

2019-04-24 00:47:49 UTC  

Better if you just kill it though.

2019-04-24 00:48:39 UTC  

Also why humans are social cooperative creatures.

2019-04-24 00:49:03 UTC  

There are good reasons why humans operate the way they do.

2019-04-24 00:49:06 UTC  

And bad ones.

2019-04-24 00:49:07 UTC  

Right but that is relatively modern like the last 10000 years or so. Humans as a species separated from our common ancestor 3-5 million years ago.

2019-04-24 00:49:42 UTC  

Modern Homo-Sapiens like 150-200K.

2019-04-24 00:49:45 UTC  

Memes are actually the first barrier to a civilized culture of intelligent species.

2019-04-24 00:49:51 UTC  

Prove me wrong. You can't.

2019-04-24 00:50:31 UTC  

Ok yeah sure homo-kekis is the endgame of evolution all intelligent people know that.

2019-04-24 00:50:59 UTC  

Humans as a species separated from our common ancestor 3-5 million years ago.
wait what

2019-04-24 00:51:11 UTC  

neanderthals were under a mil

2019-04-24 00:51:25 UTC  

Neanderthals couldn't meme.

2019-04-24 00:51:32 UTC  

New theory.

2019-04-24 00:52:01 UTC  

100 years from now "progressives" will long be extinct and forgotten.

2019-04-24 00:52:20 UTC  

gonna need a lot of helicopters to make that happen

2019-04-24 00:52:26 UTC  

If I become dictator, I promise that will be the case

2019-04-24 00:53:01 UTC  

Yeah common ancestor. We're not descended from chimps. Chimps and humans have a common ancestor that is neither. Neanderthals were just another failed hominid offshoot. This kinda gets back to the ranged weapon thing if you look at the Mousterian toolsset.

2019-04-24 00:53:18 UTC  

Helicopters?

2019-04-24 00:53:44 UTC  

@Sock are you a progressive? >_>

2019-04-24 00:53:52 UTC  

I still want to see the Styx dream of gay people can manage their pot farms with machine guns.

2019-04-24 00:54:16 UTC  

Even though I personally don't like weed.

2019-04-24 00:54:28 UTC  

Also start the helis.

2019-04-24 00:55:06 UTC  

I don't like mumble rap. That doesn't mean it should be illegal....

2019-04-24 00:55:54 UTC  

@Jym just to clarify, by last common ancestor, you mean with chimps?

2019-04-24 00:58:15 UTC  

@Tero

Yeah. As our closest living relative. There are a whole pile of extinct hominids on our fork. Likely a lot of extinct pongids on theirs we just don't focus on the chimp fossil records like we do hominids. There's a chimp genome project though so we can get a lot of data from that.

2019-04-24 00:58:16 UTC  

Progressive is kinda a broad label. Wouldn't identify with sjws if that's what you mean

2019-04-24 00:59:55 UTC  

This gets kinda weird though because there is more genetic variation between populations of chimps on the same landmass than there is among humans on the planet. Genetic expression is some weird shit my dude.

2019-04-24 01:00:37 UTC  

right

2019-04-24 01:00:56 UTC  

when you said common ancestor i assumed you meant most recent human from whom all living people are descended

2019-04-24 01:01:02 UTC  

which was definitely not 5m y.a.

2019-04-24 01:02:37 UTC  

One theory is that we had a mass die-off event in the late paleolithic that created a sort of genetic choke point and that would explain the lack of variation. But no for human ancestors we've got aa decent gauge of time and place using MtDNA. Because it is non-recombinant we don't have to estimate cross-breeding.

2019-04-24 01:03:57 UTC  

Spermatazoa are too small to contain Mitochondria so it is strictly maternal. That makes it really convenient to track descent because we can ignore other factors.

2019-04-24 01:07:08 UTC  

Mumble rap should actually be illegal.