Message from @Decoy

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2019-05-15 17:37:02 UTC  

this is from BBC4's documentary on the EU's handling of brexit... maybe i should watch it

2019-05-15 17:41:39 UTC  

well the EU is run by drunks that demands 1000$ wins and drink it like it was a 10$

2019-05-15 17:51:29 UTC  

Iโ€™ve seen snippets of that and based on what shown people should be rallying behind leaving even if they werenโ€™t before

2019-05-15 17:51:45 UTC  

Granted Iโ€™ve not seen context or that

Well they are calling 'us' ReLeavers now

but there's not alot of Leavers that have changed their mind

and there's an undetermined number of people like me

that voted Remain but want Brexit on Democratic grounds

and thus hate the Liberal Democrats

Labour and the Tories

2019-05-15 18:24:54 UTC  

Hell thereโ€™s plenty people that voted remain that just changed their minds in general too

2019-05-15 18:25:17 UTC  

Thatโ€™ll be the silent tide of votes coming in off the radar

well the Euros have been very ROOD

2019-05-15 18:33:12 UTC  

Isn't that what they normally are?

2019-05-15 18:54:59 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/578294277415632906/9p69uo6abdy21.png

2019-05-15 18:57:09 UTC  

What a ficking misogynist that protestor is

2019-05-15 18:57:25 UTC  

Does she not know hijab empowers whamminz?

2019-05-15 19:02:24 UTC  

She just doesnโ€™t realize how multicultural Islam is. What a bigot am I right <:HonkHonk:566814473646768128>

2019-05-15 19:10:06 UTC  

@EnderOctanus i was thinking about your idea about tracking down records of jews from before the war and after, to try to work out how many have gone missing. it wouldn't be a precise science, but i suppose one place to start would be looking at people with birth certificates, who had no death certificate? though, i suppose many records probably got destroyed during the war, so it might be a bit inexact - but still could say something. another idea is looking at drop of birth-rates in the jewish areas after the holocaust

2019-05-15 19:12:13 UTC  

It might be hard since there are variables such as how many got shipped off, changed their identities or like left the country our of their own volition to avoid persecution. But you could get a rough estimate

2019-05-15 19:12:31 UTC  

yeah, you might learn -something

2019-05-15 19:12:36 UTC  

perhaps these studies have been done

2019-05-15 19:13:08 UTC  

see, i had asked myself the question, "if i had access to the records, how would i prove the holocaust took place?" and it's actually a difficult question

2019-05-15 19:13:52 UTC  

or, what was its scale

2019-05-15 19:14:00 UTC  

as opposed to "did it take place"

2019-05-15 19:14:54 UTC  

i'm happy to accept the photos of piles of bodies, skeletons, and mass graves that presumably exist indicate that it at least -took place-

2019-05-15 19:14:58 UTC  

so the question is the scale

2019-05-15 19:17:40 UTC  

A lot of those records were destroyed during the war

2019-05-15 19:20:52 UTC  

i suspected that might be the case.. shame

2019-05-15 19:21:35 UTC  

I think the holocaust happened and there were a lot of atrocities carried out against the Jews and jypsies along with disabled people and LGBT people. Like I feel that itโ€™d be Interesting to try to find the scale of it, but given records being destroyed itโ€™d be hard

2019-05-15 19:22:07 UTC  

so even with access to all extant records, it's hard to actually guage its full scale

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2019-05-15 20:03:30 UTC  

They did this kind of math but it lead to some mistakes (like overestimating Dachau and underestimating the Einstsgruppen). Bloodlands by Snyder goes pretty in depth on what killings occurred where and how. A big problem is that much of the holocaust happened in the East. Stalin wasn't exactly a fan of historical accuracy.

2019-05-15 20:12:51 UTC  

holocaust? again? fuck me

2019-05-15 20:37:01 UTC  

free range bananas

2019-05-15 21:24:41 UTC  

I can honestly get behind reparations for slavery. In that you classified them as slaves and not simply black people, because there were non black slaves and black slave owners so race isnt the correct thing to divide people by. And that doesnt even get into the issue of post 1865 immigration and their descendents and their race and people of mixed race and just how mixed race, you cant pay reparations on self identified levels of racial oppression. What you gotta divide people by is slaves and non slaves which like OBVIOUSLY, then I can get behind financial reparations in taxes for slavery being paid into the abolishment of modern slavery sure, if you wish to say we as a free country built upon the back of enslaved labor which- I dont know I agree entirely with but I can at least get behind the goal enough - owe the victims of modern slave trade the chance to be free. Sure I get that, if free people dont stand up to those who enslave others no one will ever stand up for the enslaved because they are unable to stand up for themselves. Thats what the civil war was.