or, what was its scale

as opposed to "did it take place"

i'm happy to accept the photos of piles of bodies, skeletons, and mass graves that presumably exist indicate that it at least -took place-

so the question is the scale

A lot of those records were destroyed during the war

i suspected that might be the case.. shame

I think the holocaust happened and there were a lot of atrocities carried out against the Jews and jypsies along with disabled people and LGBT people. Like I feel that it’d be Interesting to try to find the scale of it, but given records being destroyed it’d be hard

so even with access to all extant records, it's hard to actually guage its full scale

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1128563921152020480

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They did this kind of math but it lead to some mistakes (like overestimating Dachau and underestimating the Einstsgruppen). Bloodlands by Snyder goes pretty in depth on what killings occurred where and how. A big problem is that much of the holocaust happened in the East. Stalin wasn't exactly a fan of historical accuracy.

holocaust? again? fuck me

free range bananas

I can honestly get behind reparations for slavery. In that you classified them as slaves and not simply black people, because there were non black slaves and black slave owners so race isnt the correct thing to divide people by. And that doesnt even get into the issue of post 1865 immigration and their descendents and their race and people of mixed race and just how mixed race, you cant pay reparations on self identified levels of racial oppression. What you gotta divide people by is slaves and non slaves which like OBVIOUSLY, then I can get behind financial reparations in taxes for slavery being paid into the abolishment of modern slavery sure, if you wish to say we as a free country built upon the back of enslaved labor which- I dont know I agree entirely with but I can at least get behind the goal enough - owe the victims of modern slave trade the chance to be free. Sure I get that, if free people dont stand up to those who enslave others no one will ever stand up for the enslaved because they are unable to stand up for themselves. Thats what the civil war was.

If this country was built off of slavery, then why the hell did we abolish it?

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Hell if slavery is soo good, why were the Northern Free States richer and more populous?

@galesteppes if the north was richer, then why didn't the North just let the south secede?

@Fitzydog imagine if they did

biggest tax writeoff in history

Well its complicated enough to say its complicated, but the only way to pay reparations today for slavery then is to divide them as slaves and nonslaves to which the reparations should be paid to todays slaves if thats the category that is owed reparations

We'd have two countries, neither of which have slaves today, while one actually respects private property.

Didnt the UK pay reparations but in the way that I'm not sure todays reparations activist would like very much

How about we tell the freeloaders to fuck off and eat a dick? @Aztec Sun God

Well I mean there is something to be said about the benefits of foreign aid if done correctly...

@Aztec Sun God there's benefits?

@Fitzydog fuck nigs right

Fuck everyone.

Get off my lawn

don’t tread on me but the snake is hot

need that flag

Are you also against legal immigration @Fitzydog

@Aztec Sun God We already paid slaves when they were freed though

@Aztec Sun God Im against immigration altogether

Yes

And for modern slavery, I have no relation to it, so reparations aren't my problem. Why make new taxes, instead of just using funds we already have for law enforcement?

Country's full, fugg off

Also, you know those people that sail around the Antarctic in a ship and fight whaling vessels? I'd get behind making an org like that for slavery.

Who said anything about new taxes, there is tons of administrative bloating we could reassign money. Also Argus do you not see the irony in that? You, because of something you didnt do, refuse to pay for something that you didn't do, okay fair enough. But you, someone who didn't choose to be born where you were born, get to tell people where they can move based on something they didnt chose either? I dont think you can have your cake and eat it too on that one cheif

Reparations should take the form of african americans being able to legally sell n-word passes that make it so nobody can get offended by racial slurs when turned in.

@Aztec Sun God I see no irony.

I'm here now, they're not. I have claim and shared ownership now.

I have the ability to defend my territory with violent force, they do not

Simple as that.

This didn't age well https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/141604554855825408