make a tier system

BUDGETING

what budgeting, if an adult cant do basic math it needs to die anyway

@woll3 assuming exception for the mentally disabled

ofc

Yall here are so concerned with "are they warm and safe?"

And here I am asking "how do we get them OFF of welfare?"

Jfc

here we have mandatory classes and courses for people on welfare to attend to

Good for you

if they dont they get less money

That's the thing. If you kill all welfare for anyone not actually mentally or physically disabled it will cure all of this.

its simple, its effective

The true physical and mentally disabled sadly wont be able to work off of it.

I don't even know why I'm arguing about American welfare with someone who don't live here

Because it goes back to welfare in itself not being the issue

Eh you comment on other nations

True

Lol

@woll3 How's it not the issue?

Most of America's social problems can be directly traced back to the exact year welfare was created

Because as i was saying, not every welfare system is designed the same way, if people get dependent on welfare, there are ways to get them off

You need to reform it, not abolish it

@Fitzydog because the issue isnt the people who truly need it (mental and physical disabled and elderly) the issue is the fluff and extra who are on it.

@woll3 Why would the govt want that though?

Your guys' def of welfare is diff

Why would the govt want anything other than power?

Which ultimately boils down to the two party system being relatively

underwhelming

not like its mcuh better here atm but still

And then there's the point I keep bringing up that everyone likes to ignore:

The welfare state WILL collapse

@Fitzydog all states will collapse

@woll3 We have like a 100 party system technically, with two coalitions, if using British definitions

We don't use the word 'party' in the same context

All states have and will collapse, or become unrecognisable from the original or predicessor

@woll3 yea our "parties" are coalitions

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki okay, let me rephrase "the welfare system"

but the different flavors seem to get completely drowned out if you cant really put your opinion into numbers

I don't know what that means

@woll3 naw look at the GOP/RNC it has libertarians, classical liberals, trade cons, neo cons, ect

The gop and dems are big tent catch all parties

representation of different compromises isnt really given

'coalitions' @galesteppes