This is about on par with blaming a rape victim at this point

And to hold the same view from start to finish of the war and after by this point is ignorance

Yes, I agree with that

Oh, I should have maybe commented - the point of the poster about Iraq is that if Boris Johnson trial goes ahead, it opens up pandora's box for anything and everything politicians have claimed...
...not necessarily a bad thing in my book, but it would suddenly make governements a lot less stable.

Youtube started 2 years after the war did. I'm sorry, but even if you held the same views by 2007 or even 2010. You did so via ignorance. And I have no patience for it.

This whole time I've been talking about the popularity of the Iraq war while it was happening that was perpetuated by maintaining a half truth about WMDs

Hell most people still had dial up until 2007ish lol

And youtube was for cat videos

I am talking while it is happening. But within 2 years, video streaming was common online. And again public record has been there the whole time. The war was 2003 to 2011 (officially) If you didn't see the MSM's falsehood in that period...You were willfully ignorant

Especially once the narrative changed to "LOOK THE GOV DID IT FOR NUKES AND FOUND NONE"

You have rose tinted glasses and a privileged perspective that others never had

Hell this was continued in movies up through the mid 2010s

Naw...Just not willingly ignorant

I'd hardly call it willingly.

I mean come on, it took until 2016-17 for people to start calling MSM 'fake news'.

This has NOT been a common attitude among the population

Again the war officially went through to 2011...So....Still holding that view up to that point.

Yea to openly term it as "Fake News"

But everyone knew even back then that News companies had a slant, or bias. And tended to omit things often. Hence why there was a market for Fox even back then

No not 'everyone'

I'd say 10% at most until 2015

Well except for the willingly ignorant

Fox News Started in 1996

People have known since then

I'm willing to bet that 90% of the population until 2015 took their MSNBC nightly news at face value and considered it factual

Sure, people watched other channels for other 'perspectives'

But that was usually for politics

Perspective = Slant/Bias

And the moment the News channels started opinion shows, people who werent ignorant knew

I know some elderly people that even to day believe anything the msm says as why will a journalist lie

@Nordhand Exactly

I know many elderly that will straight up say anchors are lying through their teeth

Oh, and the CSPAN viewerbase? Primarily the Elderly.

Most Elderly though tend to capselate with their political leaning. So Right leaning watch only fox, left only MSNBC and CNN ect

CSPAN is the only one both sides will usually watch

So let me get this straight: Support for the Iraq war is our own damn fault, and the media is not complicit in manufacturing consent, because it's everyone's fault for not being as redpilled as you were at that time. Right?

....No

That's what I've gathered so far

I've stated from the beginning that the MSM and US gov't are both at fault for the Iraq war because they knew FULL WELL that an overwhelming majority of the population had no idea what the hell 'WMDs' were, and assuming (under some media persuasion) that it was a fancy, legalese word for 'nuke'.

Support for the war at the time was granted. The original claims were Chemical Weapons, this is what the gov rolled out as the reasoning all the way up to the UN meetings. after that. The MSM is completely at fault for the missinformation, the PEOPLE are at fault for being complicit and taking it at face value. And only more so once the narrative changed to "BUT THEY DIDN'T FIND WMDs! THERE WERE NO NUKES!". Especially since that narrative changed when there was already a sizable video library online.

As for those who STILL believe the MSM spin is truth....are morons.

As well WMDs were used as a term for Chemical weapons in the past as well. During the reporting of the Iraq/Iran war.

People's memory isnt that long

It was repeated during Desert Shield/Desert Storm

As a threat to the troops there

And the imagery evoked with a term like 'weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION' is not associated with gas