You believe in liberties

that's liberalism

You can be against welfare and not leave them alone i.e. charity

@Capitán Alatriste I renounce equality and egalitarianism

That's one branch of liberalism

not the entire thing...

@-5K- This guy gets it

so why not make the charity a public institution with more funds, to which all contribute...

i found the spaniard's perfect society

If you don't have a good church and community, then THAT is your fault.

How is it my problem if someone is a piece of shit that hasn't given back or participated in their community?

So, taxes....

instead of a meagre and unreliable "private" organisation

@Capitán Alatriste Because reality says the opposite

I don't think Church is necessary anymore for a good society...

in fact it's quite arcaic

hey cuntbag, you never answered the question of what if they never get off of welfare

Well they then live off welfare which isn't enough to make a living

Hmm, church went away, and now we have faggots molesting kids and turning them into trannies, while wild apes live off of welfare.

Maybe it's just a coincidence

so it's a depressed and sad life

Private organizations > public ones. If a private charity fucks up you can always stop donating and donate to another (or start your own charity). If a public one does you have no other options

and if they choose to do so, why am I to judge. People are free to take their own decisions in life, the live with the consequences of it

Private orgs can also STOP giving charity to someone who doesn't play ball

Are you gaming the system? No more charity for you

@Fitzydog welfare proponents should have a marginal tax rate of 100%

@galesteppes you know if you're not going to take these discussions seriously, why even bother participating

Because no one takes YOU seriously

well that's a very tolerant approach to life. Completely shut down someone with opposing views

very ironic

Tolerance is apathy, and apathy is death

You tolerate pain and poison

sure bud... because humans aren't naturally sympathetic and tolerant

@Capitán Alatriste if I have to suffer my wealth going to lazy fucks, I'm going to make you suffer more

They're not

Humans are naturally violent, tribalistic creatures who wish to associate with people like themselves

You understand that throughout the history of mankind, people have been mixing and living together making new cultures as a result

Sure, VOLUNTARILY

all welfare proponents deserve section 8 housing

it wasn't a clear cut ethnic and cultural divide between poeples

@Fitzydog yes voluntarily

exactly, eastern portuges

I also didn't see Roman emperors shipping millions of sub saharan Africans up to Germany and telling the locals there that they must accept them or face the wrath of legionaires