mate. hormonal treatments are not the same thing as some drug you get prescribed. you need an endocrinologist to check you to get testosterone, estrogen, etc.

its not a physician who prescribs testosterone lol

My grandma was prescribed some hormone and now has spent 20 years in hospitals because her thyroid exploded

🤷

kek

i mean that's sad..

but kek

It's genetic but the drugs, or hormones or whatever made it 1000 times worse

at least she can rest easy knowing she listened to medical advice of professionals 👌

Being genetic my mom and sister will have the same trouble

But before we found out on granny, my mom was suggested to take the same thing

And after a few years

My sister too!

Big brain

@MountainMan i will just say that medicine is still a very primitive science, because we aren't allowed to do proper experiments on people that would be required to have good data on how everything works

being educated on poor data doesn't necessarily mean you're well informed

though they are obviously much better than the layman

my point is that people shouldnt take steroids.

because most people *dont* need them

yes but you didn't actually make an argument for why not

and will cause unnecessary harm to their body

just said take what doctor say

Well you guys reminded me to take my multi-vitamin. Well done 👍🏿

And speaking of how easily women can get estrogens, we had to cut down on chicken because, in order to grow them faster, they are fed a shit ton of hormones, which were causing my sister to go through puberty at 11. And more problems with her thyroid @Tero @MountainMan

well I can give you some actual arguments. hormonal imbalance, arterie damage, etc.

this a problem in general in the west. we pump hormones into everything. @Ondsinet

@MountainMan actually china is as always the biggest cause but whatever

this is also one of the things I am against. the extra hormones is fucking us over

and we consume it @Ondsinet

therefor its also our problem

@MountainManoh i agree on the steroids, I'm just saying that there's entire classes of doctors that know shit about anything that cause a lot of trouble for real doctors and people. And that it's incredibly easy to get full of hormones anyways

honestly the way male test levels have been dropping over the last 4 decades, nearly every man should be taking test in 2019 @MountainMan

oh well that we can agree on. there are a lot of people in the field that deffinantly shouldnt be there lmao. @Ondsinet

we should fix our food and try to get more active to fix that tbh @Tero

taking test is not a solution

https://youtu.be/xZbcwi7SfZE

also i wouldn't be surprised if steroids are only controlled substances because of moral panic about drugs

agricultural sector is gonna kill us all @Ondsinet

FUCK CHINAFUCK CHINAFUCK CHINA

yepp

they took one of the most important antibiotics that people throughout hte whole world said that they wont use until someone is dying and no other antibiotic is working